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From the Mail: What is a Degree in Philosophy Worth?

This just over the transom:

My name is Bryce. I am a freshman uni student, studying philosophy. I have a question I believe you are well-suited to answer, considering your vast life experience and knowledge in philosophy; is it worth it to get a college degree in philosophy?

I am academically unaffiliated by choice, having resigned from a tenured position at a university.  So I am not an outsider to academic philosophy, but neither do I have a vested interest in recruiting philosophy majors.  So I am in a position to be objective.  But I advise you to solicit opinions from a variety of people both in and out of academic philosophy.  I have enabled Comments for this post in the off-chance that some readers will offer you some helpful suggestions.

If you are asking whether it is economically worthwhile to pursue an undergraduate degree in philosophy, then my answer is that it is probably not unless you have in mind to study law or journalism.  In that case the philosophy training could be very useful assuming that you are studying in a department that is analytically as opposed to Continentally oriented.  But studying philosophy as preparation for L-school or J-school  or some other professional school would not be a reason to study philosophy as opposed to economics or political science, say.  Of course, you might have an interest in the foundations of the law and so study philosophy of law as an undergraduate in preparation for law school. 

If you have an all-consuming passion for philosophy and are really good at it, then you might consider going into academe to make your living from philosophy. But this is a long shot.  Good tenure-track positions are hard to find, competition for them is ferocious, and the market can be expected to worsen.  And I presume that you would not want to end up an academic gypsy traipsing from one one-year position to the next or end up an adjunct  teaching 12 courses per year for slave wages at a community college in [insert name of least desirable locale]. 

So, from a purely economic point of view, you ought not major in philosophy — or in English or in Women's Studies, or . . . .  This is especially the case nowadays when the cost of a college education is vastly in excess of the value of what one gets for the money and many assume onerous debt to finance it.  By and large, the old adage holds: "Philosophy bakes no bread."  There is no money in it, nor, in my opinion, should there be: the lack of earning potential tends to keep out those with the wrong motivations.

The other side of the issue, of course, is that "Man does not live by bread alone," this New Testament verse being my stock response to those who say that "Philosophy bakes no bread."  Surely it is only the stunted mortal who views everything in economic terms. Philosophy is a magnificent and noble thing and the best have always pursued it for its own sake as part of a spiritual and intellectual quest for ultimate understanding, wisdom, and true happiness.  In my opinion, philosophy is the highest quest a human can embark upon.  The life of the philosopher is the highest life possible to a mortal.  But be aware that what I just wrote will be violently contested by many.  (Their contesting, however, is just more philosophy in the guise of anti-philosophy.)

And this leads me to a final suggestion.  If you agree with the spirit of the preceding paragraph and want to study philosophy for its own sake, then you might consider double-majoring in something 'practical' such as Information Technology so as to have a latter-day equivalent of lense-grinding by which to support yourself.  (The allusion is to Baruch Spinoza, patron saint of maverick philosophers, who was academically unaffiliated by choice and who supported himself by grinding optical lenses.)


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11 responses to “From the Mail: What is a Degree in Philosophy Worth?”

  1. Guy Avatar

    As someone who studied and enjoyed philosophy as an undergraduate I could go ahead and recommend it here.
    However, I am now asking myself a similar question, mainly because I’m trying to decide whether to pursue philosophy at the graduate level. I am not sure whether it’s ironic or merely appropriate that I find myself turning to philosophy to properly consider and answer this question.
    For myself, I have found the study useful in my current job which involves a certain amount of programming (and therefore logic) and a certain amount of consideration of arguments when it comes to decision-making (something close to the attentive listening, or slow-reading, and the conceptual processing that philosophy also requires). But I don’t deny that it might be possible to attain these skills by other means, either by the study of other subjects (mathematics, economics, law) or by educating oneself in these areas through blogs like this one and regular treks to your local library.
    My degree did, however, offer me time, peers, and a certain amount of supervision from academics. I find that in the world of work and casual friendship where all anyone seems to care about is “the bread”, I feel my questioning or level of argumentation is often seen as time-wasting pedantry at best. So perhaps I need a more interested (or interesting) social group with which to consider these matters!
    On the one hand the study of philosophy has led me to that which others do not seem to value, on the other, I miss that study; I wish I had still more time to engage in what truly feels like one of the highest, if not the highest, pursuit.

  2. Bill Vallicella Avatar
    Bill Vallicella

    Guy,
    Thanks for the thouhgtful comments. And thanks for the link in your post, “Broken Britain.’
    The study of philosophy has proven to be useful to you in your current job, but as you appreciate, that is not a reason to study philosophy rather than linguistics or mathematics. Your situation appears to be somewhat different from Bryce’s. You seem to be convinced of the non-utilitarian value of philosophy, and you have for the time being solved the ‘problem of the belly’ (the problem of livelihood); your problem is that you miss the study of philosophy and the company of people who take it seriously.

  3. David Parker Avatar

    Years ago, a student in one of my music classes commented to our professor about how overwhelming the study of jazz music could be, to which the professor responded, “You just have to chip away at it.”
    I earn my bread as a software consultant but chip away at music and philosophy in my spare time. I agree with Bill that double-majoring is a wise choice, especially if you aren’t sure about grad school and chasing tenure. Do you love teaching…even Philosophy 101 to a bunch of indifferent freshmen?
    Perhaps you love philosophy but don’t want a career out of it; it could still be advantageous for you to acquire those tools now rather than later. After your start a career and a family, you might find that you only have an hour or two per day to study philosophy. Question for anyone: how much time per day does the average academic philosopher spend reading and writing essays?
    You should look back on your college years and be flabbergasted at how productive you were. Best of luck to you, sir!

  4. Bill Vallicella Avatar
    Bill Vallicella

    Thanks, David. One of the problems with trying to make a living from philosophy is that about the only way to do it is to teach it. But teaching, though it can be deeply rewarding, is mostly the opposite especially when one must face the “indifferent freshmen” you mention. And then there is the general cultural decline and the PC state of the universities today.
    >>Question for anyone: how much time per day does the average academic philosopher spend reading and writing essays?<< I suppose your question is: How much time does the average philosophy teacher spend reading articles and books in philosophy and working on his own contributions to the literature? Answer: Very little. Most philosophy teachers don't take philosophy seriously at all as an end in itself worth pursuing for its own sake; they merely fill their bellies from it, and if they couldn't fill their bellies from it, they would go into real estate (or something) and forget all about it. I met a cynic once who said that the journals are nothing but "tenure files." His meaning was that the journals are stuffed with papers that were written only by people up for tenure who published only to avoid perishing. Now that is plainly false. But it would be very interesting to observe what would happen to the journals and all the infrastructure of academic busy-ness were it to become impossible to make a buck from philosophy.

  5. Ryan Fitzgerald Avatar
    Ryan Fitzgerald

    A man who tries to live on the generosity of the Muses, I mean on his poetic gifts, seems to me somewhat to resemble a girl who lives on her charms. Both profane for base profit what ought to be the free gift of their inmost being. Both are liable to become exhausted and both usually come to a shameful end. So do not degrade your Muse to a whore.

    Arthur Schopenhauer, Parerga and Paralipomena, 1851 (Essays and Aphorisms, R. J. Hollingdale, trans., London Penguin Books, 1970), p. 162. Emphasis mine.

    A bit of hyperbole, perhaps, but nevertheless relevant. I opted for law school with this in mind. (Disclaimer: I dropped out after the first year and am now considering Philosophy grad programs. The Pessimist’s words are still haunting me, however.)

  6. Bill Vallicella Avatar
    Bill Vallicella

    Quotations from Schopenhauer always welcome! And don’t forget, the Master’s birthday is coming up: February 22nd. Mark your calendars!
    Boiling it down: Don’t pimp your muse.
    But we are still left with the problem of the belly which must be solved one way or the other.

  7. Marius Manci Avatar
    Marius Manci

    Before you ask yourself whether a degree in philosophy is worth pursuing you need to evaluate whether:
    a)you love Philosophy as an end in itself
    b)you have taken Philosophy into account because it seems as the easy trade to undertake
    If (a)then your challenge has to do with the question: is it possible to pursue something that I love in private and make a trade out of it? Of course this entails the odd paradox: loving Philosophy as an end in itself, pursuing Philosophy as means to an end..or is it? Is it a mere bifurcation..?
    If (b) then you qualify as a candidate for what Schopenhauer would call ‘Phillistine’; you are not interested in Philosophy but instead you seek to actualize a possible living out of sophistry.

  8. T. Hanson Avatar
    T. Hanson

    Schopenhauer’s purism sounds noble, but seems more like a silly misguided residue of romanticism (and liberalism in the narrow dogmatic sense). Ooh, profit is bad, bad, bad. There is nothing wrong with profiting from your muse if you can maintain your artistic (or philosophical) integrity. Not to say this is easy. Is Bob Dylan less an artist because he made a living from his music? Did he “sell out” when he went electric? Boring. It is most probable that any artist you like, and most philosophers you have read have financially profited from their muse. Is their product necessarily any worse? Why can’t good philosophy be produced from a variety of motivations, including making a living? Is the denial of this by the purist merely a priori, or does he have any evidence?
    Did anyone watch all the muse-whores on the Grammys tonight?
    Many goods or pleasures are both intrinsic and instrumental, and philosophy can be both. Philistinism in contrast is smug indifference to culture and a mere desire for possessions and wealth.
    If philosophy comes easy to you and you are really good at it professionally, it is possible your work could outshine the work of the less talented noble romantic purist and make him look like an amateur. Similarly, a part of the essential meaning of sophistry is persuasion over truth, but why can’t you have a desire for the truth and a desire to make a living teaching and writing in it’s pursuit?
    Did all this nonsense start with the ultra-purist Socrates? Shall we quaff some hemlock too? So we can not only not live from philosophy, but painfully die on its altar? 😉

  9. Bill Vallicella Avatar
    Bill Vallicella

    You watched Lady Gaga last night? Say it ain’t so, Tony!

  10. T. Hanson Avatar
    T. Hanson

    That was the price I had to pay not to miss Bob Dylan and Mick Jagger. 🙂 Dylan’s performance was pretty mediocre but Mick Jagger’s energy was phenomenal. Running and dancing around the stage, he looked like one of those toy paper skeleton puppets people put out on Halloween. When he flailed and jerked and jumped in his typical fashion, I was afraid his thin bones would snap.
    Now there is an artistic purist! Mick has so much money, he doesn’t need to work, but still puts on great performances.

  11. Bill Vallicella Avatar
    Bill Vallicella

    If I knew Dylan was going to be on, I would have watched it, Lady Gaga and all. Dylan to Gaga — now there’s cultural decline.

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