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Notes on R. C. Sproul, Does God Exist?

Bill and Trudy 18 Feb 2025 Hackberry TH

Trudy the Calvinist gave me a reading assignment. Herewith a first batch of comments for her and your delectation, discussion, and (presumably inevitable)  disagreement.

In Chapter One, "The Case for God," Sproul distinguishes between four approaches in apologetics: fideism, evidentialism, presuppositionalism, and "the classical school" (4)  He comes out against the first three and nails his colors to the mast of the fourth.

Fideists maintain that there are no rationally compelling arguments for the existence of God, and that we must therefore rely on faith alone.  Sproul mentions Tertullian who opposed Athens (philosophy) to Jerusalem (Abrahamic religion) and famously asked what the latter has to do with the former. He held that Christianity is objectively absurd in the sense of logically contradictory, and that this absurdity was a sort of 'reason' to accept it: credo quia absurdum (I believe because it is absurd.)* Sproul rejects this extreme view on the ground that it amounts to "a serious slander against the character of God and the Holy Spirit, who is the Spirit of truth." (2) Sproul's point is solid. There cannot be self-contradictory truths.  If so, how could the Source of all truth, the Spirit of truth, be self-contradictory?

Evidentialists defend the faith through appeals to biblical history. I am put in mind of what S. Kierkegaard calls "the infinite approximation process" (See Concluding Unscientific Postscript) a process which never arrives at a fixed and final result.  According to Sproul, the most the evidentialist can attain is "a high degree of probability." (2) The probability is high enough, however, to prove the existence of God "beyond a reasonable doubt." Indeed, he thinks the probability sufficient to block  every "moral escape hatch," except one: "You didn't prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt," i.e., the case has not been conclusively made.  This is not good enough for Sproul: he thinks the case for the very specific God of the Christian Bible (presumably with all the Calvinist add-ons) must prove this God beyond even the shadow of a doubt.   

Moreover, Sproul  holds that one can establish the existence of the God in question beyond the shadow of a doubt. which is to say, in a rationally coercive, philosophically dispositive, entirely ineluctable, 'knock-down' way. Apologists of the classical school believe that the case for God can be made "conclusive and compelling." "It is actual proof that leaves people without any excuses whatsoever." (4) Sproul hereby alludes to Romans 1, as becomes clear at the end of the chapter. No excuses, no escape hatches.  You are morally at fault for refusing to accept the God of the Christian Bible!

Presuppositionalists, led by Cornelius van Til, hold that the existence of the God of the Christian Bible can be conclusively established, but to do so, "one must start with the primary premise of the existence of God." (4) One can inescapably conclude that God exists only by presupposing his existence. Sproul's objection is the standard one levelled against the apologetics of the 'presuppers,' namely, that presuppositionalism enshrines  (my word) the informal fallacy of petitio principii, or hysteron proteron if you prefer Greek. In plain English the fallacy is that of circular reasoning.  To put it in my own way: every argument of the form p; therefore p is formally valid in that it is logically impossible for the premise to be true and the conclusion false. But no argument of this form could give anyone a reason to accept the conclusion. Circular arguments, though valid in point of logical form, are probatively worthless.  Sproul goes on to tax Van Til & Co. with the fallacy of equivocation, but Sproul's discussion is rather less than pellucid, so I won't say any more about it; in any case, I agree with him that  presuppositionalism is an apologetic non-starter, as I have argued over many an entry.  (See my Van Til and Presuppositionalism category.)

Classical apologists such as Sproul and presuppositionalists both assert that without God there is and can be no rationality. The difference is that classicists  insist that the existence of God cannot be merely presupposed, but must be proven in a non-circular or "linear" (Sproul) way.  They also insist that it can be proven conclusively, and thus in such a way as to render the existence of God objectively certain.  As I read Sproul, he is telling us that we can know with objective certainty, and thus without the possibility of mistake, that the God of the Christian Bible exists.  In the later chapters of his book he lays out the proof.

Critique

So much for exposition. Where do I stand? I reject all four positions, as above formulated. My current position, tentatively and critically held, is however closer to fideism than to the other three. Call it moderate fideism to distinguish it from the Tertullianic and Kierkegaardian extremes. It is moderately fideistic in that it rejects the anti-fideism of the presuppositionalists and that of the classicists.

Readers of this weblog know that I have maintained time and again that one can both reasonably affirm and reasonably deny the existence of God.  That is to say: there are no rationally coercive arguments either way. Nothing counts as a proof sensu stricto unless it is rationally coercive. So there are no proofs either way. An argument can be good without being rationally coercive, and there are good arguments on both sides. There are also bad arguments on both sides.  The quinque viae of the doctor angelicus  are good arguments for the existence of God, but  in my view not rationally compelling, coercive, dispositive, ineluctable — pick your favorite word.  They don't settle the matter, once and for all. But the same holds for some of the atheist arguments, some of the arguments from evil, for example.  Galen Strawson is the polar opposite of Sproul on the God question. So to savor (bemoan?) the extremity of the worldview polarization, take a look at my critique of Strawson at Substack.

So am I taking the side of Tertullian and Kierkegaard? No way. They go to the opposite extreme to that of Sproul (although he is not as extreme as the 'presuppers').  I am a fair and balanced kind of guy.

I say that the belief that God exists is a matter of faith.  Faith is not knowledge, but it is not entirely opposed to it either, as it is for Tertullian and Kierkegaard who hold that belief in the God of the Christian Bible, God Incarnate, is logically absurd, and yet is to be maintained, for S. K. anyway, by infinite subjective passion.  On the contrary, I say that one ought not believe anything that is demonstrably absurd (logically contradictory), and that to do so is a plain violation of the ethics of belief.  (If you subscribe to an ethics of belief, then you must also be a limited doxastic voluntarist, and I am.) Faith does not and cannot contradict reason; it supplements it. Faith is on the way to knowledge  and seeks its fulfillment in it.  Faith is inferior to knowledge as a route to reality, as Aquinas would agree. Faith extends our grasp of reality — our contact with it — beyond what we can know, strictly speaking, except that there are and can be no internal assurances of veridicality here below: the verification, if it comes at all, will come after we have quit these bodies.

Faith is neither blind nor seeing. It is neither irrational nor rational, but suprarational. It goes beyond reason without going against reason. 1 Corinthians 13:12 may provide a clue:  "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." (KJV)  Paul is suggesting that we see all right; we are not blind. But the seeing is obscure at present and will culminate in luminosity.  Cognitio fidei is not cognition strictly speaking, but it is not blind either. We could liken it to a dim and troubled sighting in the fog.  Pace Kierkegaard, not a desperate leap, but  a hopeful reaching out beyond the bounds of the certain. 

Sproul thinks he can prove the existence of God by reason alone. In my next installment I will show that he fails in this endeavor.

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*Nietzsche quipped that Tertullian should have said credo quia absurdus sum, "I believe because I am absurd."

Comments

8 responses to “Notes on R. C. Sproul, Does God Exist?

  1. Michael Brazier Avatar
    Michael Brazier

    Just out of curiosity, why are Aquinas’ Five Ways not rationally compelling? Is the problem that Aquinas presupposes that Aristotelian metaphysics is correct, and thus those who reject Aristotle can reject the conclusion without inconsistency?

  2. Dominik Kowalski Avatar
    Dominik Kowalski

    Michael,
    there are a few reasons. I’ll start off with Bills views as I understand them. Bill, please don’t take me speaking in your stead or about you as impolite.
    1. In a podcast episode with Dale Tuggy many many years ago, Bill remarked that strictly speaking, you can’t prove anything, not even that we two are having a conversation on his blog right now. So when Bill says “rationally compelling”, he applies a very rigorous notion of truth.
    2. Bill is sensitive to the problem of evil, remarking in the comment section in the past that a single instance of gratuitous evil would disprove theism. While he hasn’t dismissed theodicies, at least I haven’t read him ever do that, he hasn’t endorsed any as a real solution either. This sensitivity is very remarkable to me, for reasons I’ll explain below.
    3. Coming to Aquinas’s arguments, you have correctly identified that they rely on a specific metaphysical system. Now, I don’t believe it relies on too much of it and the rejection of key components leads to disastrous effects in metaphysics, particularly in regards to causality. But more importantly, I don’t think the arguments themselves are that much of an issue (except for maybe the fourth way for different reasons), but rather the identification stage.
    Having dabbled more and more in Neoplatonism in recent years, the debates over the nature of the simple being that Aquinas arrives at are enormous, and not every conception could be called “God” (Damascius having the most radical notion of simplicity, that I regard as impossible to reconcile with e.g. Trinitarianism or with God being an agent). I would harbour a guess that if we were to dive deep into the conversation here, it would be at the identification stage where Aquinas’ argument become problematic, not necessarily at the initial formulation. For example the transcendence is one of the few properties I think can actually be proven. The intellect would be a lot harder.
    I want to connect this with the point about the problem of evil as mentioned above. Bill has always been open about his own mystical experiences which seem to have settled any debate for him. I personally have had similar sensitivities when it comes to the problem of evil, but I’ve tried a different solution; a reconciliation, meaning, can we think that e.g. the contingency argument and Rowe’s argument from evil are both sound?
    I believe it can be done, but I know that for many the being wouldn’t be recognizable as God. Bill, I think, would fall under that camp as well. And yet I have always wondered, does he think the truth of his own experiences necessitate the falsity of the problem of evil or can they be reconciled if the being is more akin to the mystical One, rather than, well for a lack of a better term, “God”?

  3. BV Avatar
    BV

    Dominik,
    Thanks for the comments. I am pressed for time, but I will make a few responses, and more tomorrow.
    Ad (1). I don’t believe I said anything that extreme. But I do use ‘proof’ in a very strict way, and I hold that intellectual honesty requires that we use it in a strict way. In my book no argument counts as a proof sensu stricto unless it
    a) Is deductive. No inductive argument counts as a proof.
    b) Is valid in point of logical form. Invalid deductive arguments do not constitute proofs. ‘Prove,’ then, is a verb of success unlike ‘argue’ which is not.
    c) Is sound. A sound argument is valid argument all of the premises of which are true. Note that all valid arguments, and all invalid arguments as well, are deductive by definition.
    d) Commits no informal fallacy such as petitio principii. It is worth noting that every circular argument is valid and that some of them are sound. But none are probative, that is, none of them amount to proofs. Is that not blindingly evident?
    e) Has premises each of which is known to be true, where knowledge entails objective as opposed to mere subjective certainty. If S1 is subjectively certain that p, and S2 is subjectively certain that ~p, then neither of the two know that p. Knowledge entails impossibility of mistake.
    f) Has a conclusion that is relevant to the conclusion. The relevance condition is necessary because otherwise the following argument, which satisfies (a)-(e) would count as a proof:
    7 = 7; ergo, either Trump is president or he is not.

  4. Trudy VanderMolen Avatar
    Trudy VanderMolen

    Thanks to Tony Flood for the transcript of the Sproul/Bahnsen debate. It clarified many things. (Link in a later post of Bill’s)
    In the booklet “Does God Exist?” Sproul does not discount faith, rather he is attempting to use reason and logic to defend faith. He says, “Atheists attack Christianity at the point of creation and the notion of a transcendent, self-existent, eternal being. So, there is great value in establishing that not only faith but also reason demonstrate the logical necessity of a self-existent, eternal being.” (pg. 57)
    His discussion of “psychological baggage” regarding the existence of God was something I hadn’t thought about.
    But what he said in the debate (end of page 40 through 41)regarding reasonable doubt was great. “How much evidence is required for God to give the world before he holds us accountable? Who says that we have to have rationally inescapable arguments before we’re morally culpable to respond to Jesus Christ? Who ever added that into the game?…The Bible says that God is holding us accountable for the evidence he has given us. ”
    His final comments in the debate about common sense perception brought it home for me. What a great debate!

  5. BV Avatar
    BV

    Dominik,
    As for Damascius, do you know of any work of his that has been translated into either German or English?
    I have been reading Vladimir Lossky, The Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church, a book I would recommend to you. He sent me back to Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite and his apophatic approach to God. He takes it further than Aquinas.
    Is it possible that Damascius is more radical than Pseudo-Dionysius? I doubt it, but then I haven’t read Damascius.
    >>Bill has always been open about his own mystical experiences which seem to have settled any debate for him.<< What my various mystical, religious, and paranormal experiences have settled for me is the question of how I ought to live, namely in pursuit of the truth, which I believe to be a saving truth, about the ONTOS ON, the really Real, to put it in a Platonic terms. And so that is how I live. But I doubt that anything can be strictly PROVEN about the 'objects' behind the veil, the 'objects' that inhabit the Unseen Order, to use the beautiful phrase of William James. So I deny that one can PROVE the existence of God. The best that can be done is to show that the quest for God is a reasonable quest. And so I deny that the Five Ways of Aquinas are probative strictly speaking. I believe that this can be fairly easily shown with respect to the Third Way. So if I find the time I will confront Brazier's question head-on in a separate post about the Third Way. As for Evil, it is clearly real, but not on a par with Good. It is not an equal but opposite co-principle. The Good is somehow primary. On the other hand Evil is too real to be a mere privatio boni, as Aquinas thought. Here is a rich field for further thought. I have written a number of posts about it. People who think they can prove the nonexistence of God from evil are fooling themselves. But then so are the people who think that can prove the existence of God.

  6. BV Avatar
    BV

    Dominik,
    >> I personally have had similar sensitivities when it comes to the problem of evil, but I’ve tried a different solution; a reconciliation, meaning, can we think that e.g. the contingency argument and Rowe’s argument from evil are both sound?<< They can't both be sound because a proposition and its negation cannot both be true.

  7. EG Avatar
    EG

    Hi Bill,
    I think your posts here are relevant too:
    https://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/maverick_philosopher/2020/11/on-gods-not-falling-under-concepts.html
    https://maverickphilosopher.typepad.com/maverick_philosopher/2020/11/what-is-a-limit-concept.html
    You remind me again and again that you are a careful and subtle thinker, and so even when I agree or not, I have to think carefully about what you actually mean since there are sometimes a lot of hidden thought that buttresses your points.

  8. BV Avatar
    BV

    EG,
    Thank you, sir. I’m glad you appreciate my care and subtlety.

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