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A Complete Unknown

A lot happened to young Bob in a few short years, from Song to Woody to Like a Rolling Stone.

I saw the movie and it moved me. How about you?

Here is a good article about Dylan's falling out with Seeger.  

A Complete Unknown isn’t that interested in clarifying this point. Because the film almost entirely ignores politics. And it should ignore Dylan’s politics, whatever they might be. But it makes an unforgivable error in ignoring the politics of his Greenwich Village confederates who adhered to the Maoist dictum that art must serve the people, avoid manifestations of the individual, and reject commercial concerns.

As one critic complained in the aftermath of Newport, for the new, electrified Dylan “the words [matter] less than the beat.” What he “used to stand for, whether one agreed with it or not, was much clearer than what he stands for now. [Which is] maybe himself.” Irwin Silber, the rigidly Communist editor of Sing Out! magazine, the in-flight magazine of the radical folk scene, excoriated the New Dylan for having abandoned political songs in favor of “inner-directed, innerprobing, self-conscious” music. Decades later, Silber reflected on his criticism by acknowledging that his “biggest concern was not with the electricity. . . but with what Dylan was saying and doing about moving away from his political songs.”

Dylan was so desperate to slip out from folk’s rigid ideological strictures that he would simply deny the politics even of his most transparently political songs. “Blowin’ in the Wind” wasn’t topical but “just a feeling I felt because I felt that way.” Already in 1964, he would shrug at a song he wrote about the lynching of Emmett Till, “which in all honesty was a bullshit song. . . . I realize now that my reasons and motives behind it were phony.”


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9 responses to “A Complete Unknown

  1. Vito B. Caiati Avatar
    Vito B. Caiati

    Bill,
    I have not seen the film, but the NY Post had an interesting little article this past Friday on the young Dylan’s romance with the real life “Sylvie Russo,” Suze Rotolo, that you might find of interest: https://nypost.com/2025/01/03/entertainment/what-you-dont-see-about-bob-dylan-romance-in-a-complete-unknown/
    Vito

  2. Joe Odegaard Avatar

    IMHO “Desolation Row” beats all the folky-political songs.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUvcWXTIjcU

  3. BV Avatar
    BV

    Vito,
    Thanks for the link. But I am not convinced that Suze Rotolo was referred to in “Don’t Think Twice.”
    Were you living in the Village in ’61-’65?
    I hope you are well, and that the New Year is good to you.

  4. Vito B. Caiati Avatar
    Vito B. Caiati

    Bill,
    Yes, I lived in the Village beginning in 1963, and I can still vividly recall the feeling of the place, which still retained something of its historic character, which is now totally effaced. My arrival there from the Bronx at age 18 was one of the great turning points of my life.
    I am well, although age has really caught up with me. My best wishes to you and your wife for the New Year. It is certainly going to be an interesting one.

  5. BV Avatar
    BV

    Vito,
    Were you into the folk scene in those days, which Dave van Ronk calls “the great folk scare”? Ever see Dylan in the clubs?

  6. Vito B. Caiati Avatar
    Vito B. Caiati

    Bill,
    I was not intensely involved in the folk scene, although I took much pleasure from the songs of people like Dylan. Along with school, most of my time was devoted to the anti-war movement and radical student politics, and certainly some of the music greatly affected those of us who were politically active in these causes: the long gone, heady Marxist days of my jeunesse.
    I first learned about Dylan through a friend, now deceased, who one night by chance dropped into a village club–not sure which, maybe Gerde’s Folk City or Cafe Wha?, back in 1961, and was blown away by the performance of a young, still largely unknown singer, Bob Dylan.

  7. BV Avatar
    BV

    si jeunesse savait, si vieillesse pouvait!

  8. Dmitri Avatar
    Dmitri

    This NYT article on Dylan’s old stalker may be of interest to you Bill.
    I found it funny and sad at the same time…
    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/10/nyregion/bob-dylan-nemesis.html?unlocked_article_code=1.oE4.pUHm.AaUc_6DMTxwT&smid=url-share

  9. BV Avatar
    BV

    You know, Dmitri, I had been wondering whatever happened to A. J. Weberman. I remember him from the ’60s. Thanks for the link!

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