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Suffering, Evil, and Galen Strawson’s ‘Proof’ of the Nonexistence of the Christian God

This just in from our old friend Malcolm Pollack:

I'm writing because I went to your Substack to read your 2A post, and beneath it was a link to your post about Galen Strawson's audacious letter to the NYT — in which Professor Strawson, in a single paragraph, proves the nonexistence of the Christian God!
 
I have a quibble, however, about your response. In the version of Strawson's argument you offer, you make a move from "suffering" (Strawson's word) to "evil", and then rely on the incoherence of the idea of objective "evil" in a Godless world to undercut Strawson's argument.
 
Strawson, though, never mentions evil; he only speaks of suffering. This means, it seemed to me, that the word "suffering" should take the place of "evil" in your framing of Strawson's argument, and I think it changes that line of attack that you might have used. (Evil is always wrong, of course, but how are we to know what suffering might be necessary in ways that, like children, we can't understand?) 
 
Am I being petty here? It seems to me that the distinction between the concepts of suffering and evil, though they share deep connections, is important enough to point out.
 
1) It is perfectly plain that the words 'suffering' and 'evil' have different meanings and that the corresponding concepts are different. I implied as much when I asked, "Is it certain that evil exists?  Is it even true?  Are there any evils?  No doubt there is suffering.  But is suffering evil?"   
 
2) A different but related question is whether every instance of animal or human suffering is evil.  I am inclined to say No, and that some instances of suffering are evil and some are not. William Rowe, however, disagrees.  Here is my view in contrast to Rowe's from a February 2019 entry:
 
Suppose that to be restored to health a child must undergo an extremely painful medical treatment. So the parents of the child allow the treatment to be administered. We will agree that the infliction of the suffering upon the child is morally justified by the fact that the treatment is necessary to prevent a greater evil such as the child's death. Now what Rowe is saying above [in the linked article] is that in a case like this, the suffering is (morally) justified but evil nevertheless.

I find this difficult to understand. It sounds like a contradiction. For if the infliction of the suffering is morally justified, then the infliction is morally permissible. But if the suffering is morally evil, then its infliction is also morally evil, which is to say that its infliction is morally impermissible. But surely it is a contradiction to affirm of any action A that A is both morally permissible and morally impermissible.  

If the suffering is morally justified in that it leads to a good unobtainable without it, then the suffering, though certainly unpleasant, disagreeable, repugnant, awful, excruciating, etc., is not under the conditions specified evil in a sense of 'evil' inconsistent with the divine omnibenevolence.  It is instrumentally good.  In the situation we are imagining, it is not only morally permissible but also morally obligatory for the parents to allow the painful treatment to be administered. This implies that the treatment ought to be administered. Therefore, if you say that the child's suffering remains evil despite its leading to a greater good, then you are committed to saying that the infliction of evil upon the child is morally obligatory, something that ought to be done. But this smacks of absurdity since it is hard to understand how any infliction of evil could be morally obligatory. Since in our example the infliction of suffering is morally permissible, I conclude that even intense suffering is not in every case evil.

What Rowe is saying is that suffering is intrinsically evil, and that its evilness remains the same whether or not the suffering is instrumentally good. What I am asserting contra Rowe is that whether or not an instance of suffering is evil depends on whether or not it is instrumentally good. For me, suffering that is instrumentally good is not evil. I concede of course that such suffering remains unpleasant, disagreeable, repugnant, awful, excruciating, etc. But I do not understand how suffering in itself, or intrinsically, can be said to be evil in circumstances in which it serves a greater good.

Perhaps the problem is that there are two senses of 'evil' in play, one non-normative (amoral) the other normative (moral), and that Rowe is appealing to the former sense. Accordingly, the non-normatively evil is that which elicits aversion. In this sense, mental and physical suffering is evil in that beings like us are prone to shun it. The normatively evil, on the other hand, is that which ought not exist. So perhaps the puzzle can be resolved by saying:

a) Every instance of suffering is evil in the non-normative sense that, as a matter of empirical fact, beings like us are prone to shun it.

b)  Some instances of suffering are not evil in the normative sense that it is false that they ought not exist.

c) If an instance of suffering conduces to a good that outweighs it, and the good is unobtainable by any other means, then the instance of suffering ought to exist. Thus the child's suffering in our example ought to exist. Admittedly, this sounds paradoxical. But note that this 'ought' is not categorical but hypothetical or conditional: the child's suffering ought to exist given that, on condition that, the treatment that causes it is the only way to avoid the child's death, which would be an evil worse than the child's suffering from the treatment.

d) (c) is not paradoxical or incoherent.

e) The moral goodness of God is called into question not by the existence of evils in the non-normative sense, but by the existence of evils in the normative sense. Thus the mere existence of suffering, which is non-normatively evil, does not by itself cause a problem for the divine moral goodness. For it may well be that all instances of suffering are morally justifiable in the light of a greater good. This does not make these sufferings any less repugnant; but this repugnance is not a moral repugnance but the non-normative property of thwarting desire or eliciting aversion.

3) Therefore, if Strawson follows Rowe and not me, then 'suffering' and 'evil' are intersubstitutable in the following argument both salva veritate et salva significatione:

i) If God exists, then God is omnipotent, omniscient, and morally perfect.

ii) If God is omnipotent, then God has the power to eliminate all evil.

iii) If God is omniscient, then God knows when and where any evil exists or is about to exist.

iv) If God is morally perfect, then God has the desire to eliminate or prevent all evil.

v) Evil exists.

vi) If evil exists and God exists, then either God doesn’t have the power to eliminate or prevent all evil, or doesn’t know when or where evil exists, or doesn’t have the desire to eliminate or prevent all evil.

vii) Therefore, God doesn’t exist.   

4) But I have argued against Rowe, so my response to Malcolm has to be different. I don't say that every instance of suffering is evil in a sense of 'evil' incompatible with the goodness of God.  I say only that some instances of suffering are evil in that sense.  But then it seems to me just to impute to Strawson the above argument. 

5) Malcolm misconstrues what I am doing in that Substack article. He thinks I am "rely[ing] on the incoherence of the idea of objective evil in a Godless world to undercut Strawson's argument." I am not doing that. I am not presupposing that the objective existence of evil requires the existence of God.  If I did that I would be begging the question against Strawson. For it may be that evil objectively exists whether or not God exists.  What I am doing is refuting Strawson's claim to have proven the nonexistence of God. He has not done that because he has not proven that (ii) and (v) are objectively certain. 


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5 responses to “Suffering, Evil, and Galen Strawson’s ‘Proof’ of the Nonexistence of the Christian God”

  1. Malcolm Pollack Avatar

    Thank you for the clarification, Bill. I do dash off comments (and emails) too hastily sometimes, and this, I fear, is one of those times.
    What I was aiming at was that Strawson’s argument as presented seems even weaker than you give it credit for; in his letter he doesn’t even bother to make the distinctions you parse regarding the normative aspect of suffering and its relation to evil, but simply insists — without mentioning evil at all — that God as imagined by Christians is obviously incompatible with the amount of suffering he sees in the world.
    He then goes on to assert that “genuine belief in such a God, however rare, is profoundly immoral: it shows contempt for the reality of human suffering, or indeed any intense suffering”, without explaining how this moral fact might arise, or have any claim on our obedience, in an accidental, indifferent universe consisting only of atoms and the void.
    Can moral truths simply be free-floating brute facts? Do you suggest as much when you say “it may be that evil objectively exists whether or not God exists”?

  2. Vito B. Caiati Avatar
    Vito B. Caiati

    Bill,
    I read this rigorous, subtlety argued post several times, and I think understand your argument, but I would like pose a question that is puzzling me: In (c), you state, “If an instance of suffering conduces to a good that outweighs it, and the good is unobtainable by any other means, then the instance of suffering ought to exist. Thus the child’s suffering in our example ought to exist.” However, what if we consider this issue from the prospective of the initial condition that required the choice to impose suffering for a greater good, inaccessible by other means? In other words, perhaps the issue of evil and suffering turns not on the use of suffering to achieve a good end but rather on the need for such a use to exist at all. In this case, beneficial suffering is simply a determined offshoot of evil, and hence inevitably tainted by it.
    For you, as a philosopher, this may be a very naïve question, and I may well have taken a wrong turn, but I felt I had to ask it.
    Vito

  3. EG Avatar
    EG

    Hi Bill,
    Can you define: suffering, (natural?) evil and (moral?) evil?

  4. BV Avatar
    BV

    Vito,
    You are raising a broader question that the one I was pursuing. But it is a legitimate question. I take you to be asking why an all-good God would create a world in which greater-good considerations are needed in the first place. I made the point that while suffering is bad, some infliction of suffering is instrumentally good if it is a necessary means to the prevention of something worse, the death of a child, say. And if instrumentally good, then morally justifiable, and if the latter, then consistent with God’s omnibenevolence. But why couldn’t an omnipotent God create a world in which there is no suffering at all?
    There are three answers I am aware of. Here is one, known in the trade as the Free Will Defense. A world containing free agents is better than one without them, where an agent is free iff he could have done otherwise with respect to any action he performs or any action he omits to perform. So God creates a world in which some women poison their husbands and some men shoot their wives. Etc. In creating such a world, God freely limits his own power. (The power to limit his own power is entailed by his having every power!) God cannot create beings with free will and then prevent its exercise. So that is how moral evil gets into the world. Creatures do evil, so God is off the hook. This is an example of a Greater Good Defence against the Arg from Evil. You should be able to fill in the details yourself — and then ask some embarrassing questions.

  5. Richard Norris Avatar
    Richard Norris

    One could take the word “evil” in your attempt to clarify Strawson’s argument in your Substack post and replace it with the word “limits” and refine Strawson’s argument just a bit better, because that seems to be the actual issue at hand. Given the limit of my flesh, it can be violated with knife or fire. It can be crushed. It can age out of functionality. Given the limit of my knowledge, there are evils I can commit due to ignorance and even evils that can be done to me, facilitated by my lack of understanding. But how would God be able to make any given thing without some limit, or boundary? When atheists argue about evil and how it disproves the Christian God or any other God, they don’t follow through with how a God could have done better despite making the positive claim that the God could. So there is a lack of logical engagement on their own part which is deeply telling.

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