Footnotes to Plato from the foothills of the Superstition Mountains

A Question about Donald Trump

Things are getting interesting. How long until we collapse into hot civil war? The replacement of the rule of law with the rule of lawfare is a bad sign. The following repost, slightly redacted, is from January 2022, and more relevant that ever.

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This from a reader:

It would be very interesting to hear your take on Trump — why do you think that his leadership of the country, despite obvious personality flaws, is less risky for the US and the world than a reasonable alternative? Yes, the ideological, thoughtless, and totalitarian far-left is dangerous, but isn't unprincipled, pugilistic and me-and-my-family first leadership any better? Is your thinking driven by "the lesser of two (or three) evils"?
1) I avoid talk of the lesser or least of evils. I prefer to speak of the better or the worse. 
 
2) Politics is not theoretical; it is practical. There is political theory, of course, and it divides into political science (empirical and non-normative) and political philosophy (normative). But politics is neither of the two, despite the fact that politics is informed by political theory. Politics is a practical game! It is not mainly about having the right views. That does no good unless one can implement them. And no one with practical sense lets the best become the enemy of the good. Politics is a matter of better or worse, not perfect or imperfect.  Politics is about accomplishing something in the extant suboptimal circumstances with the best implementable ideas.
 
3) And which ideas are those? The ideas, values, and principles of the Founders. They arrived as close as anyone ever has to a sound and viable political theory. 
 
4) Now if you accept (2) and (3), then the choice is clear: you support Trump over Hillary, and Trump over Biden. For Trump, unlike Hillary and Biden,  supports those values and not just with words. He proved his support for them in the teeth of vicious opposition by pseudo-cons and leftists alike  in his four years as POTUS.  A long list of his accomplishments could be inserted here. To mention just one, and a very important one: the SCOTUS appointments.
 
5) If you complain about Trump's character, I will agree that he is flawed but go on to point out that the same is true of Hillary and Biden.  Character-wise, either the three are on a par, or the two Democrats are worse. This fact is invisible to many because Hillary and Biden are professional politicians deeply practiced in the arts of deception: mendacious to the core, they know how to hide their flaws, faults, and foibles.  But anyone with life-experience and knowledge of human nature can see that Biden is a fraud and a phony rooted in no principle except that of  the promotion of himself and his family's interests. The same goes for Hillary to a lesser extent. But as I said, they know how to don masks and play the game. Trump, on the other hand, crudely lets it all hang out. He tells you what he thinks. He is blunt, brusque, boorish, and sometimes pointlessly brutal. (I am thinking of that nasty slur he hurled against Carly Fiorina.) He probably knows that his alpha-male strut and swagger is off-putting to many, but he refuses to play the game.
 
6) What decides the question for me is that Trump alone supports the American system of government whereas this is plainly not the case with Hillary or with Biden who is the puppet of puppet masters out to undermine the American system.  That should be blindingly evident to anyone who has been paying attention.
 
7) There comes a time when a corrective is needed, an outsider self-powered, un-owned, and unafraid to kick the asses of the Dementocrats to his Left and expose the fecklessness of the cuckservatives to his Right.  A corrective and a clarifier. No more of the usual Left versus Right. The battle for the soul of America is now a contest between the borderless globalism of the greedy elites and an enlightened nationalism, populist and patriotic.  Hillary/Biden versus The Donald, to personify it.
 
But 'the virtuous'  and the upholders of 'norms' are too scrupulous to rouse the people against their tyrants.

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Describing Wilkes and two of his allies, Walpole wrote, “This triumvirate has made me often reflect that nations are most commonly saved by the worst men in [them].” Why? Because, he concluded, “The virtuous are too scrupulous to go the lengths that are necessary to rouse the people against their tyrants.”

Until the coming of The Donald, that had certainly become the case in recent American politics. Until the Orange Menace loosed the fearful lightning of his terrible swift tweets, the “virtuous,” rather battle-fatigued traditional conservative movement—even when controlling both houses of the Congress—had been out-shouted and outmaneuvered by the unholy alliance of a Left-dominated, morally nihilist pop culture and educational establishment, and what is laughably referred to as the “mainstream” media, all nudging an increasingly radicalized Democratic Party further and further to the left.

 


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38 responses to “A Question about Donald Trump”

  1. Joe Odegaard Avatar

    I get a bang out of Trumps crudity and “meanness” because it shoves the left back on its heels. They don’t know what to do. This crudity is right out of a construction crew. But a construction crew gets things done. And construction workers are almost all good people, and they are proud of what they do. I’ve been there myself, as a hands-on architect, and so has Trump, as a builder. He is exactly what we need now.

  2. oz Avatar
    oz

    ‘He is blunt, brusque, boorish, and sometimes pointlessly brutal’. Like all the English people I know, I find him repulsive in the highest degree. The English hate boastfulness and swagger more than anything else. Perhaps that is a flaw in the English character.
    On the verdict, it was from all the jurors, and on all counts. Looking at the charges and the evidence, it seems justified to me.

  3. Vito B. Caiati Avatar
    Vito B. Caiati

    Trump is truly a heroic character, and this is precisely why he is so hated by the fiendish Left, which exercises control through threats; intimidation; blackmail; lies; and force. How many other men or women, in or out of political life, would have had the strength and courage to face the vicious assault on their persons, families, and property for so many years and remain in the fight, rather than simply retreating to the security and peace of private life? Today, he said, “I am willing to do whatever I have to do to save our country?” and I believe him. I think that he must be judged as someone who is, whatever his personal flaws, both valiant and honorable.

  4. BV Avatar
    BV

    Vito,
    I find the depth of disagreement about Trump (and not just about him) to be troubling, but theoretically fascinating. Oz is a long-time commenter on this blog. He has been with almost from the beginning. He is an accomplished English philosopher, a “gentleman and a scholar” as the old saying goes. I have met him in person. You and Oz both have doctorates and you are both highly intelligent and well-read. So what explains your wildly different ‘takes’ on one and same man? But of course my question has to do with the phenomenon in general and is not about you two in particular.
    You probably know who Mona Charen is. I read her eagerly and approvingly until 2016 when she, like so many others, ‘lost it’ and became a Never-Trumper. Take a gander at the little clip below. Mona is conversing with A. B. Stoddard about Nikki Haley who has recently endorsed Trump. They are essentially trashing her over her endorsement. I don’t get it. What Nikki said in her endorsement of Trump is exactly right: Trump is not perfect, but Biden is a catastrophe. I would add that he is a catastrophe not just for the USA but for the entire world. So any reasonable person has to support him! Why can’t Charen and Stoddard and Oz et al. see that?
    What say you, Vito?
    https://www.thebulwark.com/p/human-scum

  5. BV Avatar
    BV

    By the way, Vito did you know that Bergoglio the Termite has come out against ‘faggotry’ (frociaggine) in the priesthood? Weird! Doesn’t sound very termitic to me! See here for details: https://roddreher.substack.com/p/pope-francis-no-faggotry-in-priesthood

  6. Joe Odegaard Avatar

    We all have our flaws. We all have our virtues. But some people must have perfection in this world. It’s not there.
    Enjoy your life ! God wants you to be happy. Have I just written something political? Apparently so! These are strange times.

  7. BV Avatar
    BV

    >> But some people must have perfection in this world. It’s not there.<< Spot on, Bro Joe. The hubristic, Luciferian, lunacy of the Left: they will break every actual egg to bring about an impossible omelet. There will be no immanentization of the eschaton.

  8. Vito B. Caiati Avatar
    Vito B. Caiati

    “So what explains [the] wildly different ‘takes’ on one and same man?”
    You are right, Bill: This is an intriguing question, the answer to which is not evident. I believe that part of it is found in what one might term the “commonness of Trump,” by which I mean those aspects of his manner, from fast food to flashy ties, and speech, both accent and diction, that are redolent of social classes and social realities that the new elites of this country distain and fear. Rich as he is, Trump has never turned his back on his Queens origins; he has been in contact with the working classes and the mundane world of material production all life. He talks the way he always talked on the job, whether in the office or at construction site, whether with bankers or with skilled workers and union reps.
    I think that another aspect of the hatred for the upper-class Trump is that he publicly expresses truths that his fiercest critics secretly or semi-consciously know to be true but that they dare not utter, fearing the social ostracism by a Left that exercises hegemonic ideological and cultural power in elite circles. In Jungian terms, he is their walking shadow, saying the things and being the person that they have repressed. He is the living reminder of their fundamental falsity and timidity; thus, the personas (Jung again), the social visages that they present to the world, require the obliteration of this shadow figure. There are countless of these individuals on the Left who live in what Satre called bad faith.
    As for Bergoglio, it is all a Peronist dance of power: the gays, the financially corrupt, the reforming liturgists, the careerists, the flatters, all have their uses and all are kept on their toes. I understand from good Italian sources that the general atmosphere in the curia is simply one of constant anxiety and plotting. It all goes to serve Bergoglio’s purpose, which is power to advance his modernist ecclesial and Leftist secular agendas. So whatever he says at one moment has to be placed in the context of this overall strategy of domination.

  9. BV Avatar
    BV

    >>In Jungian terms, he is their walking shadow, saying the things and being the person that they have repressed.<< That is a good insight, Vito. I have been dipping into Jung. I don't believe you share my intense interest in Thomas Merton, but if you want to read a Jungian interpretation of the life and work of the Trappist monk, I recommend Robert Waldron, The Wounded Heart of Thomas Merton.
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008MOC1XK?tag=bravesoftwa04-20&linkCode=osi&th=1&psc=1&language=en_US

  10. Joe Odegaard Avatar

    I think that the upper classes which you mention, Mr. Caiati, do disdain, and greatly fear the people that shop at Safeway; I also think that these upper types are only aware of their disdain, and not of their fear. Yet the “uppers” are only inches away from falling into a blind panic of fear, and are thus very dangerous. And the plebs don’t fully realize, either, that the elite actually fear them. I think we are siting on a big powder keg.

  11. Vito B. Caiati Avatar
    Vito B. Caiati

    I read Jung in my 30’s and early 40’s, some of those years spent with a brilliant Jungian analysist, who had trained in Switzerland. It has been many years now since I picked up one of his books, but certain concepts have stayed with me.
    Thanks for the book recommendation, Bill. I am currently without something to read, and I do have some interest in Merton, so I am going to order it on Amazon.

  12. BV Avatar
    BV

    Vito,
    Waldron’s is not a great book, but it is good, and available for only about 14 semolians.
    I’d be very interested in hearing about your experiences with the Jungian analyst. I’ve recently re-read large chunks of Jung’s very rich Psychological Types. On pp. 40 ff. he has some fascinating if dubious things to say about Anselm’s ontological argument.

  13. john doran Avatar
    john doran

    ‘He is blunt, brusque, boorish, and sometimes pointlessly brutal’. Like all the English people I know, I find him repulsive in the highest degree. The English hate boastfulness and swagger more than anything else. Perhaps that is a flaw in the English character.
    i am, ethnically, Irish and German; my adoptive parents are English. Ostensibly, I was raised as an Englishman, mostly in Canada, but, for many years of my childhood, in England.
    Admittedly, I am not known by Oz, though we have frequented this site together for years, heaped upon years.
    So: I am hereby notionally registering my vote for Trump, as a (notional) Englishman.
    I am a lawyer by trade, but most of my degrees are in philosophy; my first and prevailing love.
    So, bona fides aside: if “blunt, brusque, boorish, and sometimes pointlessly brutal” does not accurately describe any number of the most lauded English statesmen in history, then strike Churchill, Thatcher, Laurier, et al from the rolls.
    From a legal perspective, the indictments against Trump are absurd: they amount to charging someone for the shade of purple on the petal of an Iris someone found in a dumpster.
    From a philosophical perspective, drawing conclusions about an individual’s suitability to lead a nation based solely on his “bluntness, brusqueness, boorishness, and sometimes pointless brutality”, is silly: it’s like saying that an artist is terrible because he draws his lines too straight.
    Give me the name of one successful politician who has not been blunt, brusque, boorish, and brutal.
    And then explain to me not only why those qualities are “bad”, but why they’re specifically “bad” for deployment in the field of politics; and what’s more, how they are not necessary for good leadership.
    And then show me – forensically, precisely – the faults in the actual policies so boorishly, brusquely, and brutally enacted.
    Does anyone here believe that the truth of the proposition that, “a nation’s borders need sedulous defense”, varies with the moral character of its speaker?

  14. Vito B. Caiati Avatar
    Vito B. Caiati

    My analyst was Dr. Marga Speicher, a German immigrant who practiced in New York for many years, where she was president of the C. G. Jung Institute, before relocating to Texas. My work with her over the course of five or six years involved extensive talk therapy and dream analysis, the aim of which was, as always in Jungian practice, individuation or wholeness, the emergence of the Self, through the uncovering of its repressed and denied innate aspects or potentials, present in the repressed Shadow. The process involved the progressive integration of the too narrowly conceived and neurotically plagued conscious Persona—in my case one that was excessively rational and ascetic—with the unconscious, feared, and primitive aspects of the Self, the Shadow, which is tamed once brought up into consciousness and made part of the emergent conscious Self. Crucial in this protracted interaction with the unconscious is, of course, the symbolic interpretation of dreams, both for repressed personal content and for what Jung judged to be aspects of the collective unconscious, those instincts and archetypes common to our species. While the overall experience was of great benefit to me, I never embraced all of the fundamental assumptions of Jung and in particular his understanding of religious symbols, for, although he was far more respectful of these than Freud, grasping that they had great value and meaning for man and could not simply be regarded as sublimations of repressed sexual thoughts or inclinations, the truth of an objective reality underlying them was, if not denied, then certainly skirted. As a theist, I could not accept this stance.

  15. BV Avatar
    BV

    John Doran,
    I enjoyed and fully agree with your comments @ 9:10. And I am happy that you filled us in on ‘where you are coming from’ ethnically, politically, professionally, and generationally. I am now able to properly contextualize your various comments.
    >>From a legal perspective, the indictments against Trump are absurd: they amount to charging someone for the shade of purple on the petal of an Iris someone found in a dumpster.<< My knowledge of the law is limited, but it doesn't take much knowledge of it to know that you are indisputably correct. And the very best legal minds, Alan Dershowitz and Jonathan Turley, to mention two, agree. I was about to ask my friend Oz whether he thinks that the inability to look past style and see substance is also an English characteristic. And I will point out to my friend that the state of world depends on the upcoming U. S. election. Had Trump been reelected in 2020, the unspeakable slaughter occurring now in Ukraine and the Middle East would not be occurring.

  16. Joe Odegaard Avatar

    The corrupt Left has now written itself its little bogus 12-person permission slip, and has now self-deluded itself into thinking that it is doing “the will of the people” in any evil action that its black heart desires, which will certainly include sentencing Trump to decades in prison and actually incarcerating him. I don’t see this going anywhere but hot. God help us all.

  17. Vito B. Caiati Avatar
    Vito B. Caiati

    Bergoglio’s appointment today of three radically pro-homosexual cardinals to the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith is an illustration of my earlier comment on his overall heretical intentions, which are masked by seemingly contradictory public statements, designed to placate and confuse. On this see this link to the Vatican observer Edward Pentin: https://x.com/EdwardPentin/status/1796893879813214275
    One other point: I greatly appreciated John Doran’s insightful comment on political figures who, whatever their personal shortcomings, achieved great and good things. As an historian of the longue durée, I find that history is replete with such persons, so I am repeatedly astonished at and repulsed by the priggishness that has become the accepted default position of the bien pensant in speaking of Donald Trump.

  18. BV Avatar
    BV

    Vito @ 1:57: >>As for Bergoglio, it is all a Peronist dance of power:<< Another insight to add to my collection. This Am. Spectator article corroborates your claim: https://spectator.org/pope-peron/

  19. BV Avatar
    BV

    Vito @ 3:00: >>I never embraced all of the fundamental assumptions of Jung and in particular his understanding of religious symbols, for, although he was far more respectful of these than Freud, grasping that they had great value and meaning for man and could not simply be regarded as sublimations of repressed sexual thoughts or inclinations, the truth of an objective reality underlying them was, if not denied, then certainly skirted. As a theist, I could not accept this stance.<< That's right. Jung, with his exclusively psychological focus, skirts the question of objective truth or objective reality. Doctrinal differences in philosophy and theology are reduced to differences in psychological types -- the two main types being that of introvert and extrovert -- together with individual psychological differences. With great erudition Jung elaborates this reduction over a number of theological and philosophical differences. To take one example, one that I should write a separate post about, there is no objective 'fact of the matter' as to who was right or wrong in the debate between Anselm and Gaunilo, ". . . it is a matter of deep-seated psychological differences." (Psychological Types, p. 41)

  20. DaveB Avatar
    DaveB

    “terrible swift tweets”
    Nuff said lol

  21. oz Avatar
    oz

    “I was about to ask my friend Oz whether he thinks that the inability to look past style and see substance is also an English characteristic.”
    This English person sees no substance.

  22. oz Avatar
    oz

    On the case itself, which no one here has discussed. Trump paid money to Daniels not directly, but rather by Cohen paying Daniels, then Trump agreeing to reimburse him throughout 2017. ‘Invoices, pay stubs and accounting notes marked that the payments were for “legal expenses” (for work that was not performed), pursuant to a “retainer” (that did not exist)’.
    So two questions. (1) Is what I have just described a fact, i.e. did there exist a trail of payments for work that was not performed? (2) If it was a fact, is it illegal under US law for records to be made in this way? The first is a factual question, the second is a legal one.

  23. BV Avatar
    BV

    John D,
    You are the best qualified here to answer Oz’s questions if you have the time and the desire to do so.

  24. john doran Avatar
    john doran

    1) “Trump paid money to Daniels not directly, but rather by Cohen paying Daniels, then Trump agreeing to reimburse him throughout 2017”.
    a) assume that Trump paid Daniels, as described.
    so what? what law do such payments violate?
    but, even one step back, in evidence of the violation of which law was it claimed that such payments were made?
    b) That said, what is the evidence of such payments? The testimony of Cohen?
    Cohen is a liar, a useful one (to the ones winding the gears of wolkenkuckucksheim), to be sure, but he’s been demonstrably mendacious in previous trials. His testimony is legally mandated to be “forgotten”. (“remembered” in a trial for perjury; god willing.)
    c) Bank statements? So maybe there are documented transfers of money between Trump and Daniels. Again: so what? what law is supposed to have been broken by such transfers?
    whatever. imagine that you can demonstrate that money was transferred from (one of) Trump’s bank accounts to (one of) Daniel’s bank accounts. ok. so what? what matters, legally, is why such transfers were made.
    monetary transfers between people/companies on bank records are as much evidence of intensionality as the floral blooms on brain-scans are evidence of what the sounds i am making, are meant, by me, as i make them.
    d) But all of that is as may be. Here is the MSM description of the conviction:
    “The defendant, Donald J. Trump, falsified New York business records in order to conceal an illegal conspiracy to undermine the integrity of the 2016 presidential election and other violations of election laws”
    I am a lawyer. That sentence is as close to meaningless, legally, as makes no difference.
    the sentential fragment, “conspiracy to undermine the integrity of the 2016 presidential election” literally expresses no (even partial) proposition with any legal content, unless it is something like “I hate Donald Trump”. Which, of course, itself contains no (legal) content.
    2) “If it was a fact, is it illegal under US law for records to be made in this way?
    this is where I get (even more) lost: if the asker of this question doesn’t know the answer, then how can he have any conviction in what he assumes to be the truth of whatever answer he imagines he’ll be given, let alone to support his obvious and passionate loathing for Trump, not only as a person, but as a political leader?
    if, on the other hand, he has the secret answer, then, please, share. i will wait.
    3) The direction given by the presiding judge to the jury to guide their decision-making, was in direct contravention of the law.
    period.
    full stop.
    automatic appeal (which was probably intended, since they know that all they can do is to prolong the distraction.)
    4) None of this is apposite: all I want to know is why we should revile a political leader for his lack of politesse. tell me. why?
    Genghis, Julius, and Martel were among the most effective leaders in human history, even though they probably ate with their elbows on the table.

  25. Vito B. Caiati Avatar
    Vito B. Caiati

    “So two questions. (1) Is what I have just described a fact, i.e. did there exist a trail of payments for work that was not performed? (2) If it was a fact, is it illegal under US law for records to be made in this way? The first is a factual question, the second is a legal one.”
    The answer to the first question is that, in fact, there is no such credible evidence, but I leave this issue aside, since even if this supposed “trail of payments for work that was not performed” was proven, which it was not, such payment would under NY State law constitute a misdemeanor, the statue of limitations of which is just two years and which expired in this case five years ago, and not a felony. Section 175.05 of the New York State legal code states:
    “A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the second degree
    when, with intent to defraud, he: 1. Makes or causes a false entry in the business records of an
    enterprise; or 2. Alters, erases, obliterates, deletes, removes or destroys a true entry in the business records of an enterprise; or3. Omits to make a true entry in the business records of an enterprise in violation of a duty to do so which he knows to be imposed upon him by law or by the nature of his position; or 4. Prevents the making of a true entry or causes the omission thereof in the business records of an enterprise.
    Falsifying business records in the second degree is a class A
    misdemeanor.”
    Thus, the action in question is, as stated a misdemeanor and not, as improperly charged, a felony. As such, under “Article 30.10 (2) (c) A prosecution for a misdemeanor must be commenced within two years after the commission thereof.”
    This comment just touches on one aspect of the unconstitutional and illegal nature of this prosecution, one that undermines the rule of law in the State of New York and in the nation, and infects everything from the charges themselves, the evidence, the selection of the judge, his rulings, and the jury instructions. For an analysis of this entire process, see the excellent analyses of George Washington University Prof. Jonathan Turley (https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/4697118-braggs-thrill-kill-in-manhattan-could-prove-short-lived-on-appeal/), Harvard Emeritus Prof. Alan Dershowitz ( https://www.newsweek.com/trump-indictment-case-looks-like-weak-exercise-creative-prosecution-opinion-1791833), and the CNN (!) legal analyst Elie Honiq (https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/elie-honigs-description-of-trumps-prosecution-should-appall-liberals/).

  26. oz Avatar
    oz

    Trump was convicted of falsifying documents or records. Falsification of documents (in UK law) is changing the information on a document, with the intention to mislead. So, Cohen paid Daniels, Trump paid Cohen (or Cohen’s firm).
    According to MSM, the falsifying consisted in registering them as mere legal expenses, rather than what they really were, namely indirect payments to Daniels.

  27. BV Avatar
    BV

    Oz needs to study with an open mind this Primer on the Trump Case: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/06/a-primer-on-the-trump-case.php

  28. Joe Odegaard Avatar

    “According to MSM, the falsifying consisted in registering them as mere legal expenses, rather than what they really were, namely indirect payments to Daniels. …”
    My mind, which is an inclusive mind that always tries to see the big picture, has no problem with seeing the payments as both legal expenses AND indirect payments to Daniels. Neither is false. Write it anyway you want. The word “mere” doesn’t belong there. “Mere” is a lie word inserted by the Left.

  29. BV Avatar
    BV

    Gloat while you sill can (https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/gloat-while-you-still-can/)
    >> In the meantime, through the luminescent fog of gloat, perhaps you did not notice that “Joe Biden” took a giant step yesterday toward commencing World War Three. The move was framed as the US gives Ukraine permission to use American missiles to strike deep within Russia. That was a bit disingenuous, you see, because Ukraine’s military lacks the know-how to actually launch the missiles, so American military “advisors” will have to be on hand to do it, meaning US military personnel will commit an act of aggression upon Russia.
    Voila! That world war you’ve all been clamoring for. . .? The perfect climax to “Joe Biden’s” catastrophic, fraudulently-acquired term in office. I scent the acrid, burnt-flesh odor of miscalculation here, as of a bunch of American cities get turned into radioactive bonfires that will blot out that sublime luminosity of gloat.<<

  30. BV Avatar
    BV

    Hey Vito,
    Since David Brooks is one of your favorite people, you will enjoy this one:
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/06/01/david_brooks_trump_verdict_was_an_example_of_the_power_of_institutions_to_safeguard_society_from_barbarism.html
    More comments and responses later, but I need to get some real work done.

  31. BV Avatar
    BV

    Vito and John,
    Your learned responses to Oz are devastating. What our friend Oz illustrates is the meltdown of an otherwise clearheaded fellow in the grip of an irrational hatred of a man because of his style of self-presentation.
    It is a fascinating phenomenon in itself since so many intelligent and basically decent people succumb to this madness. Hence the appropriateness of speaking of TDS: Trump Derangement Syndrome.
    TDS so befuddles them that they cannot see what a disaster Joe Biden is for the USA and the world.

  32. Joe Odegaard Avatar

    I find Maureen Dowd, and others like her, deeply terrifying.

  33. BV Avatar
    BV

    Joe,
    I find Dowd more pathetic than terrifying, but that there are so many like her bodes ill for the future.

  34. Joe Odegaard Avatar

    Yes Brother Bill, it is the substantial number of Dowdies that is the real worry, because the Devil will get behind them and push. It brings to my mind some of the battles in The Lord of the Rings.

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