Footnotes to Plato from the foothills of the Superstition Mountains

Spherical Triangles as Incongruent Counterparts?

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Over the last 24 hours I have been obsessing over Kant's spherical triangles.  He claims that they are incongruent counterparts.  Now I understand how a hand and its mirror image are incongruent counterparts.  (A right hand's mirror image is a left hand.) But it is not clear to me how Kant's spherical triangles are incongruent counterparts. Supplement the above diagram with a second lower triangle that shares its base (an arc of the equator) with that of the upper triangle and whose sides are two arcs whose vertex is the south pole.

David Brightly's comment is the best I received in the earlier thread. (He works in Info Tech and I believe he has an advanced degree in mathematics.) He writes,

Not clear to me either, Bill. Why does Kant resort to spherical triangles? [To show the existence of incongruent counterparts.] Consider first two right triangles in the plane with vertices (0,0), (3,0), (0,4) in triangle A and (0,0), (3,0), (0,-4) in B. In plane geometry A and B are considered congruent, not by translation or rotation in the plane but rotation out of the plane ('flipping') with their shared edge as axis. Now think of these triangles on the sphere with edges of length 3 along the equator and those of length 4 on a meridian. The lower triangle cannot be flipped into congruence with the upper—it curves 'the wrong way'. Congruence on the sphere is more restrictive than congruence in the plane. But they are mirror images of one another in the equatorial plane. Likewise, Kant's isosceles triangles cannot be flipped into registration. Has he just overlooked that they can be slid on the sphere into alignment?

As Brightly quite rightly points out, "The lower triangle cannot be flipped into congruence with the upper — it curves 'the wrong way'."  That was clear to me all along.  My thought was that if you rotate the lower triangle through 180 degrees so that its southern vertex points north, it would fit right over the upper triangle. I think that is what David means when he writes, "they can be slid on the sphere into alignment."

In other words, the lower triangle needn't be rotated off the surface of the sphere with the axis of rotation being the common base, it suffices to slide the triangles into alignment and thus into congruence along the surface of the sphere.  

Therefore: Kant's spherical triangles are not incongruent counterparts or enantiomorphs.

Now David, have I understood you? I am not a mathematician and I might be making a mistake.


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11 responses to “Spherical Triangles as Incongruent Counterparts?”

  1. BV Avatar
    BV

    Thanks, David. I will celebrate our (rare) agreement this evening.

  2. Valeriu Avatar
    Valeriu

    David Brightly mentions “Kant’s isosceles triangles”. Bill Vallicella also speaks about two isosceles triangles. But Kant’s triangles aren’t (necessarily) isosceles. He speaks only about “spherical triangles”. Your two isosceles triangles will slide into alignment, that’s true. But take instead two scalene spherical triangles with a common base: they won’t slide and won’t flip into alignment. They are enantiomorphs.

  3. Joe Odegaard Avatar

    There are excellent visualizations in this video about spherical triangles:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8VgvoEx7HY

  4. Michael Brazier Avatar
    Michael Brazier

    A plane triangle and its mirror image can’t be slid into alignment – that is, there’s no rigid motion in the plane that carries a triangle to its mirror image, unless you call reflection a rigid motion. (Or if the triangle has mirror symmetry itself.) That’s also true of a spherical triangle and rigid motions of the sphere.
    Now there is a rigid motion in three dimensions that takes a plane figure to its mirror image, namely flipping it over. But that’s cheating, really. It takes advantage of how any triangular object we can manipulate is necessarily embedded in a space of three dimensions. If a fourth spatial dimension were available to us we could flip a spherical triangle to its mirror image just as easily as we flip plane triangles over.

  5. oz Avatar
    oz

    Why won’t the scalene triangles slide into alignment?

  6. Valeriu Avatar
    Valeriu

    “Why?” is always a pretty hard question. Because they are mirror images, I suppose. But this is equivalent to “Because they are enantiomorphs”. I don’t really know why. But you can “see” (visualize) they don’t. As Michael Brazier says, you cannot slide two scalene plane mirror triangles into alignment; you can only flip them in the third dimension to bring them into alignment. The same for the spherical scalene triangles: they cannot be slid on the sphere into alignment; if flipped in the third dimension they won’t align either; they can be aligned by flipping one of them in the fourth dimension, a feat I myself cannot vizualize.

  7. Joe Odegaard Avatar

    Why stop with spherical triangles? This book (link below) has much more to ponder. I have a well-read copy of: “The Penguin Dictionary of Curious and Interesting Geometry.” It is fascinating & makes me ponder deep questions about the universe.
    Here is part of a review:
    “What do the Apollonian gasket, Dandelin spheres, interlocking polyominoes, Poncelet’s porism, Fermat points, Fatou dust, the Vodernberg tessellation, the Euler line and the unilluminable room have in common?
    They all appear among the hundreds of shapes, figures, objects, theorems, patterns and properties in this collection of geometrical gems. . . .
    Link: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/26826426-the-penguin-dictionary-of-curious-and-interesting-geometry

  8. oz Avatar
    oz

    @Valeriu
    To clarify. I can see why the scalene triangles can’t be slid into alignment. My difficulty is that the same is true of a plane surface. What does spherical geometry add to the situation?

  9. Valeriu Avatar
    Valeriu

    @oz
    The scalene plane mirror triangles can be flipped in the third dimension to be brought into alignment. To do something analogous for the scalene spherical mirror triangles, you would have to do the flipping in the fourth dimension. But the space of our experience has only three spatial dimensions. We can visualize “the flipping” in the third dimension, but not in the fourth. Besides, to speak about the fourth dimension would seem to Kant to be idle talk, I believe.

  10. oz Avatar
    oz

    @Valeriu
    Gotcha, thanks

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