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Negative and Positive Trinitarian Mysterianism

Dale Tuggy tentatively characterizes Lukas Novak's position on the Trinity as an example of negative mysterianism.  This I believe is a mistake.  But it depends on what we mean by 'negative mysterianism.'  Drawing upon what Tuggy says in his Trinity entry in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, let us try to understand what mysterianism is in its negative and positive varieties.

A. The Problem. We first remind ourselves what the problem is.  To put it simply in a 'binitarian' form, the problem is to understand how the following propositions can all be true:

1. The Father is not the Son.

2. The Father is God.

3. The Son is God.

4. There is only one God.

It is obvious that if in each sentence the 'is' is the 'is' of absolute numerical identity, then the quartet of propositions is inconsistent.  The conjunction of (2) and (3) by the transitivity of identity entails the negation of (1).  The conjunction of (1), (2), and (3) entails the negation of (4). 

B. Positive Mysterianism.  The response of the positive mysterian to the inconsistency is that, in Tuggy''s words:

. . . the trinitarian doctrine can't be understood because of an abundance of content. [. . .] So while we grasp the meaning of its individual claims, taken together they seem inconsistent, and so the conjunction of them is not understandable . . . . The positive mysterian holds that the human mind is adequate to understand many truths about God, although it breaks down at a certain stage, when the most profound divinely revealed truths are entertained. Sometimes an analogy with recent physics is offered; if we find mysteries (i.e., apparent contradictions) there, such as light appearing to be both a particle and a wave, why should we be shocked to find them in theology?

The position of the positive mysterian seems to be the following.  The Trinity doctrine is true and therefore consistent in reality despite the fact that it appears to us (and presumably must appear to us given our cognitive limitations) as inconsistent and therefore  as necessarily false.  Thus positive mysterianism is not to be confused with dialetheism about the Trinity which is the doctrine that there are some true contradictions and that the Trinity doctrine is one of them.  The positive mysterian is not saying that the doctrine is a true contradiction;  what he maintains is that in itself it is both true and noncontradictory: it only appears to us as contradictory.  It is a mystery in the sense of a merely apparent contradiction.

C.  Critique.  Positive mysterianism seems to entail the view that inconceivability does not entail impossibility.  For it implies that the conjunction of (1)-(4), though inconceivable (i.e., not thinkable without contradiction) is true and therefore possible.  That conceivability does not entail possibility is old hat.  But that inconceivability does not entail impossibility is an innovation that should give us pause.

Why can't I be a positive mysterian about round squares?  I cannot conceive of something that is both round and not round at the same time, in the same respect, and in the same sense of 'round.'   Normally this inconceivability would be taken as definitive proof of the impossibility of round squares.  But if positive mysterianism is true, then the inference fails.  For what positive mysterianism countenances is the 'possibility' that a proposition which after due reflection and by all normal tests appears contradictory is in reality not contradictory.  So it could be that  — it is epistemically possible that — round squares are possible and actual.  And similarly for an infinity of impossibilia.  This seems to be a reductio ad absurdum of positive mysterianism.

Perhaps I will be told that positive mysterianism applies only to the Trinity and the Incarnation.  But this restriction of the strategy would be ad hoc and unmotivated.  if it works for the Trinity, then it should work across the board.  But if it is rigged solely to save the theological doctrines in question, then one's labor is lost.  One might as well just dogmatically affirm the two doctrines and not trouble one's head over philosophical justification.  Just say:  I accept the doctrines and that's that!

Or perhaps I will be told that God is incomprehensible and that the divine incomprehensibility is what warrants the acceptance as true of apparent contradictions.  But God cannot be all that incomprehensible if we are able to know that the Father is God,the Son is God, the Father is not the Son, the Son is Jesus, etc.  If these propositions are inconsistent when taken together how can unknown and unknowable facts about God remove the contradiction?  The contradiction p & ~p cannot be removed by adducing q, r, s, etc.  Conceivability can be nullified by the addition of further information; inconceivability, however, cannot be nullified by the addition of further information.

D.  Negative Mysterianism.  Among the senses of 'mystery' distinguished by Tuggy are the following:   "[4] an unintelligible doctrine, the meaning of which can't be grasped….[5] a truth which one should believe even though it seems, even after careful reflection, to be impossible and/or contradictory and thus false."  Tuggy then tells us that "We here call those who call the Trinity a mystery in the fourth sense “negative mysterians” and those who call it a mystery in the fifth sense 'positive mysterians'."

E. Critique.  I don't think we need to waste many words on negative mysterianism.  If the Trinity is an unintelligible doctrine, then there is nothing for me to wrap my mind around: there is no proposition to entertain, and so no proposition to accept or reject.  If it is just a mass of verbiage to which no clear sense can be attached, then the question of its truth or falsity cannot even arise.

F. Novak's View. If I understand Novak's view, it is certainly not a form of mysterianism.  For he thinks that if we make the right metaphysical distinctions we will be able to see that the doctrine is noncontradictory.  But I'll leave it to him to explain himself more thoroughly.


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8 responses to “Negative and Positive Trinitarian Mysterianism”

  1. Sheldon Avatar
    Sheldon

    Could it be that the trinity doctrine is simply misunderstood, indeed that it means something else entirely? What if trinitarianism looks like this:
    God
    Faith
    Man
    Regards
    Sheldon

  2. Vlastimil Vohánka Avatar
    Vlastimil Vohánka

    Bill,
    Lukas “… thinks that if we make the right metaphysical distinctions we will be able to see that the doctrine is noncontradictory.”
    Lukas says: we will NOT SEE there IS a contradiction. He does not say: we will SEE there IS NOT a contradiction. Distinguish absence of evidence and evidence of absence.

  3. Vlastimil Vohánka Avatar
    Vlastimil Vohánka

    “If the Trinity is an unintelligible doctrine, then there is nothing for me to wrap my mind around: there is no proposition to entertain, and so no proposition to accept or reject. If it is just a mass of verbiage to which no clear sense can be attached, then the question of its truth or falsity cannot even arise.”
    Suppose (i) a Christian believes that there is such a proposition that the council fathers expressed it by the sentences of the Athanasian Creed, and (ii) the Christian does not entertain the proposition (directly), and (iii) the Christian believes the proposition is true.
    Is this absurd? Is the Christian unreasonable?

  4. Bill Vallicella Avatar
    Bill Vallicella

    Will someone please explain to Sheldon why his comment ought to be deleted? Be charitable.

  5. Bill Vallicella Avatar
    Bill Vallicella

    V,
    Well, now I have no idea what Novak is up to. And if Tuggy is right that the doctrine of supposita was crafted for the express purpose of saving the Trinity and Incarnation doctrines from incoherence, then the doctrine of supposita is of no interest. An ad hoc solution is no solution.
    >>Suppose (i) a Christian believes that there is such a proposition that the council fathers expressed it by the sentences of the Athanasian Creed, and (ii) the Christian does not entertain the proposition (directly), and (iii) the Christian believes the proposition is true.<< So you have some apparently incoherent verbiage, and you believe that there is some proposition that it expresses, but you have no idea what that proposition is. That doesn't sound like the acme of rationality.

  6. Dale Avatar

    Hi Bill,
    I completely agree with what you say about positive mysterianism. I have a paper, forthcoming in IJPR in which I try to press the sorts of objections you give against what I think is the most sophisticated version of it, by a philosophically astute theologian, James Anderson. The ad hoc objection is huge, and I don’t think they can meet it. I also try to show that their stance can’t be right, given some things they ought to concede about believers’ epistemic status vis a vis the (real or imagined) contents of the Bible.
    What you say about negative mysterianism I also agree with, with this important caveat – negative mysterianism comes in degrees, and what you say applies only to the most extreme version of it. Interestingly, most of the “fathers” are pretty extreme in this. But nowadays, most negative mysterians also hold to a positive view, to some model I call a rational reconstruction of the theory. When faced with difficulties, where there model just seems wrong, they bail out with the point that *surely* we don’t completely understand God, and so we should expect some degree of unintelligibility in our discourse about him. I think this is a non sequitur, btw.
    As I write this, I haven’t got my head around Novak’s view; but I saw that he was pretty quickly going for the negative mysterian parachute. Hence, my claim. But that (being to some degree a negative mysterian) is compatible with also going in for some oldschool speculation about the Trinity.
    Mysterian claims aren’t versions of the Trinity doctrine – they are theories about why it is OK that we can’t come up with a coherent, plausible interpretation of those words.
    About “supposits” being invented for theological use – I steal that point from Alred Freddoso, “Human Nature, Potency and the Incarnation” (F&P, 1986).

  7. Dale Avatar

    What Vlastimil suggests in the comment above has been discussed on trinities, parts 4, 5, and 6 here:
    http://trinities.org/blog/?s=implicit+faith
    I argue in the “Stalin” post that it is a dead end. As I understand it, Catholic theologians have come to this conclusion as well.

  8. Bill Vallicella Avatar
    Bill Vallicella

    Hi Dale,
    I was hoping you would stop by. Thanks. That’s a very helpful SEP entry, by the way. I am happy that we agree about positive mysterianism. Don’t you already have a apaper out in which you criticize Anderson? If yes, is it online? I tried to get it through JSTOR but couldn’t access it for some reason. Since your IJPR paper is forthcoming, why not post it at your blog so we can get a pre-publication look at it?
    I appreciate that mysterianism is a metatheory, and I suppose that is why it can be combined with “old school” speculation.
    Thanks for the Fredosso reference.

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