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Still More on the Trump Phenomenon

A reader opines and I respond:

As far as I can tell, our thoughts on Trump’s unfitness are pretty close, and the way you’ve laid out the matter in your most recent post (Trumpian Propositions) also mirrors my thinking. This extends to the following sentence, which I’ve uttered almost verbatim to friends and family: “we know what Hillary will do, while we do not know what Trump will do.”

Where we disagree – or rather, where I may disagree with you, but am still working out my thoughts and waiting for further developments – is in evaluating the implications of that statement. You take it as an argument to vote for Trump; after all, you say, “[h]e might actually do something worthwhile.” I agree with that quotation as well. It seems to me that HRC will be a terrible President 100 times out of 100, while DJT may only be terrible 98 or 99 times out of 100.

But here’s the problem: I fear that his worst could be worse, maybe much worse, than Hillary’s. He is a thug, or at least often behaves like one (e.g. in his use of eminent domain both in the U.S. and in Scotland) and expresses admiration for thugs (e.g. Putin, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong Un, the Chinese in cracking down in the Tiananmen Square massacre back in ’89, etc.). Trump, it seems to me, wants to be El Jefe, not merely the commander in chief of a Republic, subject to checks and balances and limitations on executive power. (See for example his incredible statement in the debate that he would give illegal orders to members of the armed forces, and they would follow them.)

BV:  If we use 'thug' to refer to someone who habitually engages in thuggish behavior, then perhaps Trump is not fairly called a thug.  But he is often thuggish, and he clearly admires thugs and thuggish behavior.  This is a disqualifier.  Lacking self-knowledge, he cannot see this fact about himself.  This is another disqualifier. 

It is also important to note that much of the admiration and support for Trump reflects a dark side of human nature, namely, the tendency secretly to admire supposed tough guys and  'winners,' and to have contempt for 'losers' many of whom 'lose' because they are reasonable, civil, conciliatory, and concerned for the common good, Mitt Romney being one example. To admire a winner just in virtue of his winning while ignoring the question of the morality of the  means to victory is human-all-too-human.  It is rooted in our animal nature.  In Trump's moral calculus, the worst sort of human being is the loser.  This is why the first thing he said in his  response to Mitt Romney was that the latter lost. 

To the extent that we can ascribe a moral theory to a shallow-pate like Trump, his is the morality of Thrasymachus, if we take that to be the view that it is right and just that the strong should dominate the weak.   Might makes right.  Success justifies.  If the  panzers of the Wehrmacht roll into Poland crushing all resistance, then the fact justifies the deed.  My power to kill you confers moral justification on my killing you.  On the other hand, failure condemns.  If you are too weak to win and you lose, then it is right and just that you lose.  When Hitler saw that the fatherland was about to be destroyed, his attitude was that it deserved to be destroyed.  So he ordered the scorched earth Nero Decree as much to punish the Germans for losing as to prevent useful infrastructure from falling into the hands of the enemy.

In light of this it is easy to understand Trump's mocking of the man with the palsied hand and his reference to Megyn Kelly's menstrual cycle.  The cripple is weak and less worthy of life.  Women are weaker than men and so their claims can be dismissed as products of their weakness.  It also sheds light on Trump's assuring us that his sexual apparatus is large and in good working order. For any weakness in that area would detract from his status as alpha male and argue his lack of value.  For a man as crude as Trump the measure of a man is the size and rigidity of his penis and the extent of his net worth.  Now many a man is concerned with penis and pelf; but few are so morally vacuous as to have no compunction about tying  one's worth as a person to such things.

What matters for our latter-day Thrasymachus is to win, whatever the cost.  And or course winning is measured in the crudest quantitative terms imaginable.  Trump tweeted to a journalist who criticized him, "I get more pussy than you."  What matters is quantity of 'pussy,' size of net worth, height of buildings . . . .  It doesn't matter that those buildings are casinos wherein people degrade and impoverish themselves.

And notice that he doesn't care that these damning facts are known about him.  He is not ashamed to be the crude  vulgarian that he is.  He is like Bill Clinton in this regard.  Nixon, who was brought up right, could be shamed, but not Bill Clinton.  "I did it because I could."  And like Bill Clinton, Trump has no compunction about lying.  It comes as naturally to him as breathing.

And nothing he says has to make sense since it is not about making sense but about winning.  So he can make noises as if he is supportive of Christianity even though, by his own moral calculus, he ought to despise Jesus Christ.  For the world has never known a bigger loser and more utter failure than Jesus.  Humanly speaking, Jesus was a total loser.  If that is not obvious, the case has been made most convincingly by Romano Guardini in Jesus Christus, chapter 3, "Failure."

Like Obama, Trump will say anything if he thinks it will get him what he wants.  It doesn't matter whether it is true or even makes sense, or contradicts what he said the day before.  

My correspondent is worried that Trump's worst may be worse than Hillary's worst. Could be.  We just don't know.  But we do know Hillary will do whereas we do not know what Trump will do.  So it strikes me as reasonable to roll the dice in his favor should he get the nomination.  Meanwhile, we should do our damndest to make sure he doesn't get the nomination.

It isn’t clear to me that he’s better than Hillary Clinton, even leaving aside his Napoleonic complex. Is there anything that you know he stands for? He thinks Planned Parenthood is “great”, he’ll let all the “good ones” (Mexicans) back in, likes H1B visas, imported immigrants to work at his resort while rejecting American labor as recently as last July, was for restrictions on the second amendment until about 30 seconds ago, recommends higher taxes on the rich, has advocated torture, opposes free trade, wants to further limit the first amendment, has been playing footsies with the KKK and the white supremacists (the “bad earpiece” try was a joke, as he himself mentioned David Duke and white supremacists in that CNN interview), has a decades-long track record of engaging in crony “capitalism” – and the list goes on and on. I don’t see where he’s better than she is, except on a very few issues where his “conversion” goes back to the instant he decided to run, and which in every case has been retracted or at least undermined by later statements during the campaign. He’s a bullshitter, a bully, and a blusterer, and if you go by his actions instead of his words he’s just another liberal democrat.

BV:  There is one thing I KNOW Trump stands for, namely, his own ego.  He is all the awful things you say he is.  And I agree that it is not CLEAR that he is better than Hillary.

So I just don’t see it. [. . .]

The only possible and meaningful plus I see for Trump is the possibility that he appoints conservatives to SCOTUS. There is no chance that Hillary will do so, but he might. (I’m not absolutely sure about that, but it’s moderately possible.) Maybe that’s a good enough reason. Given that his sister is a pro-choice judge, and given his social liberalism, and given his seeming ignorance of and disdain for the U.S. Constitution (I especially liked his recent comments about judges signing bills into law), the odds of his nominating an originalist justice are iffy at best. But again, maybe that’s good enough. Still: does one elect a liberal ignoramus who might be Mussolini for a shot at 2-3 (relatively) good Supremes?

BV:  Hillary is Obama in a pant suit.  She will continue his "fundamental transformation of America." Like Obama, she is a destructive leftist.  She must be stopped. Therefore, you must vote for the Republican nominee whoever it is.  It will be either Trump or Cruz. 

I don't think it is right to say that the only good thing Trump might do is appoint conservatives to the Supreme Court.  It is a very good bet that he will put a severe dent in the influx of illegal aliens across the southern border.  (Forget his bluster about making Mexico pay for the wall.)  But we KNOW that hate-America Hillary will do nothing to stem the illegal tide.  If anything she'll encourage it because in her cynical eyes they are undocumented Democrats. 

A third thing Trump might very well do is stop the outrage of sanctuary cities.  But we KNOW Hillary won't.

A fourth thing Trump can be expected to do enforce civil order in the face of rampaging blacks  of the Black Lives Matter ilk.  These lying scum have targeted the police and are actively working to undermine the rule of law.  Hillary is in bed with them.  The evil bitch repeats all the lies about Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, 'mass incarceration' and so on.  And what is most despicable is that she does it cynically for her own personal advantage.

A fifth thing Trump might do is defend religious liberties.  We KNOW that Hillary won't.  Never forget that the Left is anti-religion and has been since 1789.   Part of the reason for this is that the Left is totalitarian: it can brook no competitors to State power.  This is why it must destroy belief in God and in the family.  The god of the leftist is the State, the apparatchiks of the latter being the State's 'priesthood.'

A sixth thing Trump might do is defend Second Amendment rights.  We KNOW that Hillary won't.  She is a mendacious 'stealth ideologue' who won't admit that she is for Aussie-style confiscation, but that is what the liberty-bashing bitch is for.  She realizes that guns in the hands of citizens is a check on her leftist totalitarianism.

Here is the situation.  If it comes down to Trump versus Hillary, then you face a lousy choice between two awful candidates.  So you must vote for the least awful of the two.  And that is Trump.  Alles klar?

"But why not vote for neither?"

The short answer is that the Left is totalitarian.  You can't withdraw from politics, because they won't let you.  And again, we know that Hillary is a leftist who will try to extend the reach of government into every aspect of our lives.  You must take a stand.


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5 responses to “Still More on the Trump Phenomenon”

  1. Whitewall Avatar
    Whitewall

    Dr. V, This is a pretty logical analysis. It is also troubling all the way through in that we are measuring “awful” and crude with an accumulated knowledge of our nation’s history, values and promise. Your final short paragraph is the unfortunate duty we have…to take a stand. A small thing that bothers me about taking a stand- when do political moderates ever take a tough stand on anything? Libertarians can, conservatives can, even liberals can. But moderates? Probably not in their nature.

  2. Sean Avatar
    Sean

    What makes you say the left has been anti-religion since 1789? I certainly know the left is anti-religion now and has been for several decades, I just don’t seem to know enough history to have thought it went back that far.

  3. Jacques Avatar
    Jacques

    “What matters for our latter-day Thrasymachus is to win, whatever the cost.”
    I guess that could be true of Trump himself, though I don’t have any reason to believe that he is not also or partly motivated by a real moral concern for the wellbeing of ordinary Americans screwed by elites in control of both parties. However this claim about his supporters seems untrue:
    “much of the admiration and support for Trump reflects a dark side of human nature, namely, the tendency secretly to admire supposed tough guys and ‘winners,’ and to have contempt for ‘losers’ many of whom ‘lose’ because they are reasonable, civil, conciliatory, and concerned for the common good”
    At least I don’t know how anyone could know this. Another possibility is that “much of the admiration and support” (or almost all of it, even) reflects a different set of traits of millions of ordinary Americans: (a) awareness that the system is almost totally corrupt and bent on exploiting and dispossessing them, (b) a healthy wish to stand up to their oppressors, (c) a moral conviction that those who are currently ‘winning’ are traitorous scum. My sense is that “much” of the support has to do with a-c, and not an amoral will-to-power. Indeed, if the people who support him were just motivated by an amoral worship of power and ‘winning’ why would they not support the GOP establishment and media and academics who in fact hold far more power than Trump or his followers? Why would they have first begun to support him, at a time when everyone was (reasonably) confident that he had no chance? Why not cheer on the media-corporate-academic overlords? Of course, Trump is not really as much of an outsider or an underdog as he would like people to think. But the fact that his supporters tend to view him that way, and like that image, indicates that they are not just interested in ‘winners’. And don’t they tend to view themselves as ‘losers’ in the current system? I think your characterization of “much” of his support here is at best unmotivated. It’s like the NYT suggesting that his supporters are crypto-fascists. Maybe. But another possibility is that they are just regular patriotic Americans who rightly feel disenfranchised and silenced and despised.
    It also seems pretty dubious that Mitt Romney is an example of someone who loses in politics because he is “reasonable, civil, conciliatory, and concerned for the common good”. Conciliatory, yes. But is that a good thing when those with whom he is conciliating are hate-filled Leftists and corrupt crony capitalists? Was Romney showing “concern for the common good” when he actively supported affirmative action back in 1994? When he did nothing to denounce Obama’s amnesty for illegals? It’s not clear to me that Romney has ever shown much interest in the white working class and poor people who constitute the Republican base, and the heart of America. Nor is it clear that he truly cares about these people. And remember that Romney was quite happy to have Trump’s support last time around — when all the same evidence of Trump’s character was available — and, worse, Romney now disowns Trump in part because “he’s lost time and time again”, because Trump’s claim that “he’s not a loser” is supposed to be false. Trump is really a loser, says Romney, and that’s one reason why he, Romney, will not support him. Not to mention that these comments flatly contradict the glowing praise he had for Trump back when he thought he could be useful: “Donald Trump has shown an extraordinary ability to understand how our economy works, to create jobs for the American people”, etc.
    Romney is dishonest, incoherent, unprincipled. Not a totally empty suit, but more than half empty. This is hardly an example of someone who loses because of his principles and goodwill. Say what you will about Trump, but it’s not credible that he’s worse than the realistic alternatives, if the best the mainstream can offer is someone like Romney.

  4. BV Avatar
    BV

    Jacques,
    Considering all the comments you have made over the last few months, there is something about you that makes me nervous. I get a whiff of anti-Semitism from your direction. I half-expect you to out yourself as a Holocaust denier, a white supremacist, or something equally extreme. When we discussed patriotism you seemed to embrace the absurd view that patriotism is justified solely by the fact that one’s country is one’s own.
    You come across as a blind partisan who can’t see or won’t admit the negatives of a man like Trump. A rather unphilosophical attitude I should think. You think women shouldn’t be in the professions or in politics. When I criticized black tribalism, you proposed an opposite white tribalism instead of seeing that we must get beyond tribalism altogether.
    When I argued for the importance of toleration, you attacked that too, claiming that any admission of anything good in OLD liberalism puts one on a slippery slope that inevitably leads to hard leftism.
    While you can’t see anything bad in Trump, you can’t see anything good in MLK.
    I am left wondering whether you and I share any common ground except opposition to the Left.

  5. Jacques Avatar
    Jacques

    Hi Bill,
    I’m sorry if I seem that way to you. I am neither a holocaust denier, nor a white supremacist, nor any of those other ‘extreme’ things. Not as far as I can tell, anyway. In fact — if it makes you feel more at ease — my own family is partly Jewish. I do regard it as a pretty obvious fact that the organized Jewish community is not a friend to the white Christian majority in America or Europe, and has not been for a very long time, if ever. The Jewish elites have been very aggressive in pushing for policies that are fatal for host societies and are never demanded of Israel. Often prominent Jews are quite open about the fact that they think these terrible policies are just ‘good for the Jews’, and therefore good simpliciter; it never occurs to them that they owe some consideration to the interests of the white people in the Anglosphere who have been so very, very good to the Jews as compared with almost every other host society in history. Every single Jewish organization pushes mass immigration and multiculturalism and other anti-white policies, for example. Though of course many individual Jews are not involved in this, and many non-Jews are also pushing for these things. There is no vocal or organized Jewish opposition to this destructive and anti-western agenda. Is it ‘anti-semitic’ to be angry about this tendency? If that’s anti-semitic then a ‘whiff’ of anti-semitism is surely in order, if we care at all about protecting the west from deadly threats. But it’s not fair to use the term in that way. It’s like Leftists calling anyone who criticizes black criminality a ‘racist’. If Jews changed their behavior, or just admitted more openly that their interests are not always perfectly aligned with the interests of the west, allowing for an honest dialogue, I would drop my complaints. Instead, of course, Jewish organizations and elites will stop at nothing to destroy anyone who is even mildly critical of their behavior.
    I don’t think that I’ve really said some of the things you attribute to me here. For example, I’d be very surprised if I’d said that “women shouldn’t be in the professions or in politics”. And I think it’s also a bit unfair to say that I “can’t see anything bad in Trump” or that I “can’t see anything good in MLK”. Have I ever said there was nothing objectionable about Trump, for example? I think what I’ve always said is simply that, under these very dire circumstances, I don’t _care_ much about his negative traits, and I’m very happy that (whatever his shortcomings) he is serving as a focal point for a long, long, long overdue realignment in American politics.
    Similarly, my position on ‘tribalism’ is not quite as simple or ‘blind’ as you seem here to be thinking. On that issue, I claim that some kind of white tribalism is natural and healthy — at least in the current situation where whites must share their societies with countless other groups who are often viciously and stupidly tribalistic. And since I doubt that others are going to ‘get beyond tribalism altogether’ in the foreseeable future, I think it would be very foolish for just one tribe to deny its own identity and interests; this would be unilateral disarmament in a very dangerous world. But in the abstract, I’m happy to allow that a tribe-less world might be best. Not sure about that. All this to say that I don’t think I’m as ‘extreme’ as you think I am.

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