Footnotes to Plato from the foothills of the Superstition Mountains

Russell’s Teapot: Does it Hold Water?

Here is a famous passage from Bertrand Russell's Is There a God?

Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.


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8 responses to “Russell’s Teapot: Does it Hold Water?”

  1. Mike Avatar

    Here too I have no complaint. If the existence of God has not been disproven, it does not follow that God exists or even that it is reasonable to believe that God exists.
    This is not so clear. If the existence of God has not been disproven because nobody has been trying, then perhaps nothing follows. But suppose we have been trying. It seems to me that we do have some confirmation (or maybe what Popper would call ‘corroboration’) of the claim that God exists. We have not been able to falsify the claim (taking falsification broadly to include showing a priori that God cannot/does not exist—of course, Popper would not take it that way, but nevermind), does seem evidential for the claim that God exists. But this is all intuition and handwaving. I could not give you any details on how one might measure degrees of corroboration, nor do I know anyone who can.

  2. Bill Vallicella Avatar
    Bill Vallicella

    Hi Mike,
    You’re right: it isn’t so clear. The fact that there are no arguments proving the nonexistence of God that all competent philosophers accept does seem to provide some evidence of the existence of God. But does this evidence make it more reasonable that not to believe in God?

  3. jhn Avatar
    jhn

    The reason the teapot argument has so much traction is that it is in fact directly applicable to the God that most people believe in.
    The only God that appears defensible according to your reasoning is a kind of philosophical construct. Some sort of first principle or underlying force of reality. (It’s not clear to me exactly how you jump from theological ideas of “simplicity,” etc, to God being sentient, or having desires, or wanting to do things such as sustain the world, but that is another issue.)
    However, the teapot argument deals quite nicely with miracles, the efficacy of prayer, divine revelation, and all of the other embarrassing luggage of religion.
    This reminds me of how Swinburne becomes much, much less effective when he moves from defending theism to defending Christianity.

  4. Mike Avatar

    This reminds me of how Swinburne becomes much, much less effective when he moves from defending theism to defending Christianity.
    Well, it cuts in two directions, right? Christianity makes short work of the problem(s) of evil, for instance, and lots of other traditional problems. It does so because it has theological resources to manage objections that the rather thin philosopher’s God does not. But the additional theology makes Christianity “top heavy” in Steve Wykstra’s words (it dramatically lowers its prior probability–its probability coming into these problems). All of those propositions describing your theology are, esp. when conjoined, improbable. On balance, it might be better from a theoretical point of view to make peace with the problem(s) of evil (it’s here to stay) and adhere to a somewhat thinner theology. I guess this is hardly a consideration for theists who do not take their theology to be a theory.
    Among the reasons philosophers focus on the thinner God is that it stands in the intersection of lots of theological positions.

  5. jhn Avatar
    jhn

    I don’t see how Christianity or a “thick” theology makes dealing with the problem of evil any easier than if you were an atheist or only believed in the philosopher’s god.
    From a purely human-centered perspective, evil is a practical problem, but not one that poses any profound metaphysical difficulties. (Sociobiology could provide a convincing account of both good and evil, for instance.)
    If you believed in only the philosopher’s good, who would appear to lack any moral qualities, I don’t see how evil is a problem for you. Explaining evil in a naturalistic universe is no more difficult than explaining rainbows or electricity. It is only when good and evil are expanded beyond the human sphere that evil becomes a problem.
    I don’t want to hijack this thread into a discussion of whether God exists and the nature of evil. I just want to point out that the philosopher’s God is, as you say, very thin. I don’t see why anyone would care whether such a “god” exists. And any god that does have properties that would make him relevant to human concerns (other than philosophical speculation) would be subject to the teapot argument.

  6. Mike Avatar

    I don’t see how Christianity or a “thick” theology makes dealing with the problem of evil any easier than if you were an atheist or only believed in the philosopher’s god.
    Christianity is actually confirmed by the existence of evil. It predicts that there will be instances of evil. In this way it manages the problem. I’m not suggesting it makes the psychological adjustment to evil easier. That’s not the problem of the problem of evil (or not the one I had in mind).

  7. bobkoepp Avatar
    bobkoepp

    Elliot Sober has mad a good start at sorting out the relations between “absence of evidence” and “evidence of absence”:
    http://philosophy.wisc.edu/sober/Absence%20of%20Evidence%20and%20Ev%20of%20Abs%20aug%202%202008.pdf
    But I’m not sure he would want to extend the argument beyond the “empirical domain”.

  8. Bill Vallicella Avatar
    Bill Vallicella

    Two quick points.
    1. The distinction between the God of the philosophers and the God of religion is bogus, as I’ve argued elsewhere. The God of Aquinas, for example, is not a mere philosophical construct.
    2. It is a mistake to confuse the distinction in (1) with the distinction between a ‘thin’ theology in which the focus is on the nature and existence of God and the theistic proofs and disproofs and a ‘thick’ theology which adds to this core doctrine such more specific doctrines as (in the Christian tradition) Trinity and Incarnation.
    Mike is certainly right to suggest that the philosophical problem of evil (not to be confused with the psychological or as Plantinga calls it ‘pastoral’ problem of evil) assumes a much different complexion when viewed within the context of a ‘thick’ theology.