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Excellent comments, Vito. Will try to respond tomorrow.
Footnotes to Plato from the foothills of the Superstition Mountains
Please don't leave a comment without addressing it to someone. And if there are two Davids present in a thread, don't address it to David!
Canned Heat, Help Me.
"Help me consolate my weary mind." I love that 'consolate.' Alan 'Blind Owl' Wilson at his best. I saw him and the boys at the Kaleidoscope in Hollywood in 1968. Wilson was a tortured soul and ended up a member of the 27 Club. He quit the sublunary sphere on 3 September 1970.
Aficionados of that time and place will want to read Canned Heat: The Twisted Tale of Blind Owl and the Bear.
Johnny Cash, Help Me.
Beach Boys, Help Me, Rhonda
Hank Williams, I Can't Help it If I'm Still in Love with You
Ringo Starr, With a Little Help from My Friends
Elvis Presley, Can't Help Falling in Love
Andrea Bocelli does a great live job with it.
Highwaymen, Help Me Make it Through the Night
While we have the Highwaymen cued up, let's enjoy Ghost Riders in the Sky
Joni Mitchell, Help Me
Hank Locklin, Please Help Me, I'm Falling
Here is Skeeter Davis' answer to Hank.
I have long been fascinated by the conflicted man revealed in Thomas Merton's Journals, all seven volumes of which I have read and regularly re-read. He was a spiritual seeker uncomfortably perched between the contemptus mundi of old-time monasticism and 1960's social engagement and 'relevance,' to use one of the buzz words of the day. He was hip to the '60s, its music and its politics, surprisingly appreciative of Dylan and Baez, and this despite being 50 years old in '65 when Dylan was 24.
I recently came across a journal entry in which Merton praises Walker Percy's 1962 novel, The Moviegoer. Then I recalled that the philosopher and surfer Tim Mosteller who visited me a year or so ago, and acquitted himself well on a memorable hike in the Superstitions, had mentioned some work by Percy, whom I have never read, but will. A search turns up he following articles of interest to Merton aficionados:
An Interview with Walker Percy about Thomas Merton
Existentialism, Semiotics and Iced Tea (Roger Kimball)
The Myth of the Fall from Paradise: Thomas Merton and Walker Percy
ADDENDUM (5/25)
Tim Mosteller writes,
I haven't read all of Percy's work, but I have enjoyed a lot of what I have read of him.I simply can't recall which work of his I mentioned when I last saw you.Here's his fiction that I have read:The MoviegoerThe Last GentlemanLove in the RuinsLancelotThe Thanatos SyndromeI think that I looked over, but didn't really study his collection of philosophical essays, some of them quite good on C. S. Peirce and semiotics which were published in top-ranked philosophy journals.Those essays are collected in The Message in the Bottle.Peter Kreeft is quite fond of Percy's Lost in the Cosmos: The Last Self-Help Book. I think I've looked this one over too, but haven't read it. Kreeft has an essay on this book in his C. S. Lewis for the Third Millenium, and I recall enjoying the essay. In fact, I think that was how I got introduced to Percy.I've enjoyed everything I've read by Percy. It's rare to have a Christian writer who is a first rate philosopher (who was also a medical man) and a first rate novelist. Some of his novels are quite graphic and disturbing, which as a rule I don't enjoy reading, but they are not gratuitous.Percy is too heavily influenced by Kierkegaard and C. S. Peirce, but his story-telling makes of for some of the things I disagree with from these thinkers.Here is a great video lecture which Percy gave which captures a lot of his views: "Walker Percy The San Andreas Fault in the Modern Mind" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve1f83mxE7kHope this helps!
Leftists cling to their grievances despite progress made and remedies applied. And then they invent new ones. For they must remain permanently aggrieved. That is who they are: permanently adolescent in a state of permanent rebellion. That they have less and less to be angry about means nothing. The merest microaggression suffices to 'trigger' them. 'Racism,' for example, is everywhere.
Did you know that hiking and running are racist?
There is nothing so mind-numbingly knuckleheaded that some 'liberal' won't maintain it.
In general, no. For you may be foolish or ignorant or otherwise incompetent with respect to the subject matter under discussion. Or you may be morally defective: a bully, a blowhard, a bullshitter, a quibbler, a sophist. But suppose none of these predicates attach to you. Suppose you are my moral and intellectual peer, and what's more, a competent practitioner in the discipline or sub-discipline which is home to the thesis we are disputing. Thus we are both competent, and we are equally competent. And suppose I believe you to be as intellectually honest and as competent as I am.
Suppose further that I have given careful thought to my thesis and have advanced it in respectable, peer-reviewed journals.
If you disagree with me, does this fact supply a good reason for me to question my thesis? Ought I question it? Or would I be justified in ignoring your disagreement?
We note that this is a meta-question that sires a meta-disagreement. This meta-disagreement is between the Conciliationist and the Steadfaster.
I am a Conciliationist. Or at least that is my natural tendency. Thus I tend to think that your disagreement with me (given the stipulations above) ought to give me pause. It ought to cause me to re-examine my view and be open to the possibility of either rejecting it or withholding assent from it. It ought to undermine my epistemic self-confidence. I tend to think that I would be intellectually amiss, and less than intellectually honest, were I simply to dismiss your disagreement. I tend to think that I would be unjustifiably privileging my own point of view, preferring it to yours simply because is is mine. This seems wrong to me given that we are trying to arrive at the objective and impersonal truth. Truth cannot be mine or yours.
The Steadfaster, however, stands fast in the face of disagreement. Whereas the Conciliationist allows the fact of disagreement to undermine his epistemic self-confidence, the Steadfaster takes the fact of disagreement to undermine his prior conviction that his interlocutor is as morally and intellectually capable as he initially thought he was. So when you disagree with me, I question whether I am right. But if you are a Steadfaster, then, when I disagree with you, you question my competence, rationality, probity, etc.
But now a puzzle arises. If I am a Conciliationist, then my position would seem to require that I question my Conciliationism due to the fact that the Steadfaster disagrees with me on the meta-issue. (Assume that the Steadfaster is as morally and intellectually well-endowed as I am and that I believe him to be such.)
It seems that the consistent Conciliationist cannot be steadfast in his Conciliationism given that there are Steadfasters out there who are, and whom he believes to be, his moral and intellectual equals. So what should our Conciliationist do? Should he:
The world's too shallow a pond to justify one's wanting to 'make a splash.'
Do not indulge your sense of grievance without compensatory attention to the many good things that have come your way in the form of opportunities, unearned advantages, narrow escapes, strokes of luck, and the like. Make a list and see whether the occasions for gratitude don't outnumber the occasions for grievance.
A reader is convinced by my arguments against presentism and eternalism but is not convinced that there is a genuine issue in dispute. He further suspects that the parties to the dispute are using 'exist(s)' in different ways. The reader issues a serious challenge. Can I meet it?
Presentists and eternalists give competing answers to Quine's question, "What is there?" Roughly, presentists maintain that only present items exist, whereas eternalists maintain that past, present, and future items exist. The dispute concerns the ontological inventory. It is essential to observe that the disagreement presupposes a prior agreement as to how 'exist(s)' is to be used. It obviously cannot be used in the present tense. If it is, then both presentism and eternalism turn out to be trivial theses, presentism trivially true, and eternalism trivially false. (We have gone over this many times.)
So let me introduce the sign 'exist(s)*' to denote existence simpliciter. The dispute is then whether what exists* is restricted to what is present or is not so restricted. This strikes me as a substantive difference. The views are in genuine conflict. It is as genuine a conflict as that between those who say that only particulars exist* and those who say that both particulars and universals exist*. The dispute is about what exists simpliciter, i.e., what exists*.
Another example. Suppose on Monday morning you take delivery of 300 paving stones. By Friday evening, you have made a walkway out of them. Do you now have 300 + 1 new things on your property or only 300? Does the walkway count as something in addition to the paving stones? Some say yes. Other say no: you have 300 stones arranged walkway-wise. This is an ontological inventory dispute, a dispute about what exists. It is arguably genuine — but only if there is agreement as to the sense of 'exist(s).'
Quine famously told us that "Existence is what existential quantification expresses." ("Existence and Quantification" in Ontol. Rel., 97) To put that with all due scrupulosity, we must rewrite it as "Existence* is what existential quantification expresses." Equivalently, existence simpliciter is what existential quantification expresses. Uncle Willard takes his quantifiers 'wide open,' or unrestricted. They range over whatever there is, whether abstract or concrete , universal or particular, past, present, or future. On he same page, Quine offers his definition of singular existence: a exists =df (∃x)(x = a).
Suppose my reader agrees with the above. He might still feel that there is no real difference between presentism and eternalism, that the metaphysical difference is not a difference that makes a (practical) difference. The reader may be reasoning as follows: since the presentist and the eternalist accept all the same Moorean facts, there is no substantive difference between the positions.
Consider first the past. Among the gross facts not in dispute is the truth of
1) Scollay Square no longer exists.
What this says using tensed language is that
1T) Scollay Square existed but Scollay Square does not exist.
In tenseless language it goes like this:
1U) Every time at which Scollay Square exists* is a time earlier than the present time.
The reader may claim victory at this point. "You see? Two different ways of saying the same thing, a presentist way and an eternalist way. Hence there is no substantive difference between the two views."
But now consider the future. Here a substantive difference emerges. Suppose Dave is a father whose kids are slackers who may or may not procreate, but haven't done so yet. If they do, then Dave will have one or more grandchildren. If they do not, then Dave will have no grandchildren. On presentism, future temporal items do not exist* which implies that neither of the following is now true:
2) Dave will have a grandchild
and
~2) Dave will not have a grandchild.
On eternalism, however, future temporal items exist* so that one of the above propositions is now true. On eternalism, the future is as fixed as the past, whereas on presentism, the past alone is fixed. This is a substantive difference and not a difference in two ways of saying the same thing.
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The eliminative materialist in the philosophy of mind is a bit like a man who blows his brains out to be rid of a headache. No head, no headache, no problem!
Whether or not God and the soul are real, and whether or not this life has any final meaning, we are free to live as if they are and as if it does. And this is how we ought to live. We can go around and around on the Big Questions, and to do so is a way of honoring the seriousness of life and of living at the highest pitch possible; but we will achieve no satisfactory result on the theoretical plane. Reason is weak and its conclusions are inconclusive. God and the soul can neither be proven nor disproven. The same goes for the objectivity of morality and every other question on the far side of the quotidian, including the question of the freedom of the will.
The freedom of the will is proven, in the only way it can be proven, by an act of will, by descending from the theoretical to the practical plane. And then the theoretical question becomes moot: to act is to demonstrate practically the freedom to act. To act is to act freely. The freedom of the will in the pregnant sense as liberum arbitrium indifferentiae is a presupposition of action. So act, and verify, in the sense of make true, the presupposition.
By acts of will we de-cide what to believe and what to do. By de-ciding, we cut off reflection which, left to itself, is interminable. After due consideration, I WILL accept this and I WILL reject that; I WILL live according to my best lights, dim and flickering as they may be, for as long as I can and as best I can, all the while continuing the search for truth on the theoretical plane. I WILL NOT allow doubts to undermine decisions arrived at in moments of of high existential clarity.
"But can't one still ask whether the will is really free?" You can, but then you are abandoning the point of view of the agent for the point of view of the spectator. Mirabile dictu: we are both actors and spectators. We both march in, and observe, life's parade. How is that possible? How integrate our subjective freedom and our objective determination? A nut that cannot be cracked at the level of theory can only solved at the level of praxis.
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What renders a statement about the past true? On one version of presentism, nothing does: statements about the past are brute truths. A rather more plausible version holds that "whatever renders a statement about the past true must lie in the present." (Michael Dummett, Truth and the Past, Columbia UP 2004, 75) Craig Bourne labels this view "reductive presentism." (A Future for Presentism, Oxford UP 2006, 47 ff.) But it too is untenable for various reasons, one of which is that it "conflicts with the truth-value links which assuredly govern our use of tensed statements." (ibid.) Dummett continues:
Such a truth-value link requires that if a statement in the present tense, uttered now, of the form "An event of type K is occurring," is true, then the corresponding statement in the past tense, "An event of type K occurred a year ago," uttered a year hence, must perforce also be true. (ibid.)
Suppose I now scratch my right ear and intone 'I am now scratching my right ear.' If precisely a year later I were to say, 'I scratched my right ear exactly a year ago,' I would say something true. "But it might well be that in a year's time you would have forgotten that trivial action, and that every trace of its occurrence would have dissipated." (ibid.) But then on reductive presentism, my statement, 'I scratched my right ear exactly a year ago' would not be true.
It would not be true because there would be nothing presently in existence to render it true. No memory, no video-taped recording, no causal trace whatsoever.
For some reason I just now thought of Irving Thalberg Jr.'s ENIGMAS OF AGENCY. I knew he had died in the '80s, so I looked him up and found this fascinating account of the man and his (once famous) father. Long, but good.
Excellent comments, Vito. Will try to respond tomorrow.
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Thanks, Dmitri. Couldn’t find it when I last checked, six months ago.
Hi Bill Addis’ Nietzsche’s Ontology is readily available on Amazon, Ebay and Abebooks for about US$50-60 https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=addis&ch_sort=t&cm_sp=sort-_-SRP-_-Results&ds=30&dym=on&rollup=on&sortby=17&tn=Nietzsche%27s%20Ontology
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