{"id":9353,"date":"2012-09-19T05:56:17","date_gmt":"2012-09-19T05:56:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2012\/09\/19\/the-unholy-alliance-with-islamism-does-the-left-have-a-death-wish\/"},"modified":"2012-09-19T05:56:17","modified_gmt":"2012-09-19T05:56:17","slug":"the-unholy-alliance-with-islamism-does-the-left-have-a-death-wish","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2012\/09\/19\/the-unholy-alliance-with-islamism-does-the-left-have-a-death-wish\/","title":{"rendered":"The Unholy Alliance With Islamism: Does the Left Have a Death Wish?"},"content":{"rendered":"

Mike Liccione's name came up over dinner with John Farrell, who has met Mike.  Small world.  (It also turns out that John now lives on the same street only a few doors down from where I lived for part of my time in Boston. Small world again.)  Mention of Mike put me in mind of an old post from 6 November 2009 in which I link to him, a post that is particularly relevant in the light of recent events.  The post follows.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Something that has long puzzled me also puzzles Michael Liccione. Mike <\/span>puts it like this<\/span><\/a>:<\/span><\/p>\n

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Shouldn't liberals be the most concerned about Islamic fundamentalism, given that the things they profess to value are the first things they would lose under Islamist pressure? It's hard to avoid the conclusion that this sort of liberal hates political conservatives and
orthodox Christians more than he loves his own liberty. And he wishes to cling desperately to his own self-image as a defender of the poor, oppressed minorities, even when some of those poor, oppressed minorities would just as soon see him and his kind <\/span>swinging from the gallows.<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Substantially correct. But if I may quibble, 'Islamic fundamentalism' may not be the right term. Better would be 'militant Islam' or 'radical Islam' or 'Islamism.' A fundamentalist, as I understand the word, is one who interprets the scriptures of his religion literally, as God's own inerrant word. Thus Islam, if I am not mistaken, holds that the Koran was literally dictated by God to Muhammad in Arabic. Whatever one
thinks of fundamentalists in this sense, it seems obvious that they should not be confused with militants or terrorists. Although fundamentalists and terrorists are sets with a non-null intersection, there are fundamentalists who are not terrorists and terrorists who are not fundamentalists.<\/span><\/p>\n

It is important to try to think as clearly and precisely as one can about these issues, distinguishing the
different, and forging one's terminology in the the teeth of these differences.   And the more 'hot-button' the issue, the more necessary is clear and precise thinking.<\/span><\/p>\n

Addendum 19 September 2012<\/strong>:  I have always been careful to speak of 'militant Islam' or 'radical Islam' or 'Islamism' as opposed to 'Islam.'  But now I am wondering whether this distinction is not perhaps a snare and a delusion.  The problem may well be with Islam itself and its basic values or lack of values.  See Diana West's post<\/a> to which I linked yesterday.<\/span><\/p>\n

It is becoming painfully obvious that the values of Muslims qua Muslims are simply incompatible with our Western values, and that to allow them to immigrate is a recipe for suicide.  Islamic culture is inferior to ours, the proof being the sad state of the countries Muslims come from – which is of course why they don't stay in their own countries.  <\/span><\/p>\n

Liberals of course support wide-open immigration, legal and illegal, along the lines of 'The enemy of my enemy is my friend.'  These liberal  fools hate Christians and conservatives more than they hate the enemies of their own liberal values.  I call that contemptible stupidity, stupidity  that is morally  censurable.<\/span><\/p>\n

Bill K. comments<\/strong>:<\/span><\/p>\n

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I think it is far more pathological than simply the enemy of my enemy is my friend.  I believe the kind of liberal that wants the government to control everything (as opposed to the fuzzy-headed do-gooders that simply want problems to go away and people to be happy) actually admires and approves of Islam, because of its program of total control.   They also fail to understand that they will be the first to go when the Umma arrives.  They are so used to talking their way into what they want, that they won\u2019t understand the use of force even when they face the beheading sword.  Look at our foreign policy.  BO actually thought he could talk the Muslims into world peace.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

I suspect that our delusional leftist pals think that they can use Islamism to beat back conservatism and Christianity and then dismiss the Islamists once the job is done.  But they are pussies compared to the Islamists and they may be in for a big surprise.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Mike Liccione's name came up over dinner with John Farrell, who has met Mike.  Small world.  (It also turns out that John now lives on the same street only a few doors down from where I lived for part of my time in Boston. Small world again.)  Mention of Mike put me in mind of … Continue reading “The Unholy Alliance With Islamism: Does the Left Have a Death Wish?”<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[119,163],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-9353","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-islamism","category-leftism-and-political-correctness"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9353","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=9353"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9353\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=9353"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=9353"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=9353"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}