{"id":7993,"date":"2014-04-26T17:04:31","date_gmt":"2014-04-26T17:04:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2014\/04\/26\/the-politics-of-impassibility\/"},"modified":"2014-04-26T17:04:31","modified_gmt":"2014-04-26T17:04:31","slug":"the-politics-of-impassibility","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2014\/04\/26\/the-politics-of-impassibility\/","title":{"rendered":"The Politics of Impassibility"},"content":{"rendered":"

This just over the transom:<\/span><\/p>\n

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I hope you don\u2019t mind my seeking your help on an issue related to the history of philosophy. I and a few friends are have a disagreement re: the origin of belief in divine apatheia<\/em>.<\/span><\/p>\n

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In Manana: Christian Theology from a Hispanic Perspective<\/em>, Justo Gonzalez discusses the political motivations behind the origin and development of the concept. His claim is that belief in divine impassibility merely reflects the desire for permanence (of power) on the part of the ruling class<\/strong> so that Athenian politics is responsible for the philosophical development of the belief, a projection onto God of the political aspirations of the elite.<\/span><\/p>\n

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The question of how apatheia<\/em> got adopted\/revised by Christians isn\u2019t so much my concern at this point (as legitimate a question as it is). I\u2019m interested in Gonzalez\u2019s history and whether and to what extent he\u2019s right in supposing apatheia<\/em> was a projection onto the divine being of the political aspirations for the permanence of the city and its ruling class.<\/span><\/div>\n
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Does that ring true with your understanding? <\/span>Thoughts?<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n
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Well, if it serves my political interests to believe that p, that leaves open the question whether p is true or false.  Suppose I am a member of the royal court.  Then it would serve my earthly interests if the masses were to believe that the king rules by divine right.  But one cannot show that the king does not rule by divine right by showing that the interests of the ruling class are served by that belief's being widespread.
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So there are two logically independent questions.  Does the holding of a belief serve interests?  Is the belief true?  To say that the questions are logically independent is to say that both an affirmative and a negative answer to the first is consistent with both an affrmative and a negative answer to the second.
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If God exists, then he is either impassible or not.   This question cannot be decided by showing, assuming that it could be shown, that widespread belief that God is impassible would help legitimate the dominance of the ruling class. (I am having a hard time imagining how such an abstruse doctrine could get a grip on the popular mind.  Does Joe Sixpack think about such things?)
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The bolded thesis supra<\/em> is a 'weasel' thesis.  Gonzalez does not state unambiguously that the impassibility doctrine is nothing other than an expression of class interests, and therefore either false or unsupportable by reasons.  But that is probably what he means.<\/span><\/div>\n
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If that is what he means, then  he is guilty of the logical\/epistemological error of confusing the holding of a belief with the propositional content of a belief.  It is a concern of the sociology of knowledge to study the incidence of beliefs as states of people, their causes and effects and modes of transmission.  But the evaluation of belief contents as to truth, falsehood, consistency, inconsistency, rationality, etc., does not belong to the sociology of knowledge.<\/span><\/div>\n
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There is nothing new about the move Gonzalez appears to be making.  It's old hat.  It is the  standard Marxist rubbish of reducing belief systems to systems of ideology in the service of class interests.  But if all is ideology in the service of class interests, then so is the system of Marxist beliefs.  In which case it is a self-vitiating system of beliefs if not outright self-refuting.<\/span><\/div>\n
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