{"id":784,"date":"2024-05-05T12:13:19","date_gmt":"2024-05-05T12:13:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2024\/05\/05\/tuggy-on-origen-on-john\/"},"modified":"2024-05-05T12:13:19","modified_gmt":"2024-05-05T12:13:19","slug":"tuggy-on-origen-on-john","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2024\/05\/05\/tuggy-on-origen-on-john\/","title":{"rendered":"Dale Tuggy on Origen on John"},"content":{"rendered":"

I have a Twitter\/X  account<\/a>, but I don't post there often. Today I took a peek and found this:<\/span><\/p>\n

https:\/\/x.com\/DaleTuggy\/status\/1786943516922306708.  The following is from Tuggy:<\/span><\/p>\n

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An interesting passage from Origen's commentary on John. Some readers still make the same mistake! <\/span><\/p>\n

"Those, however, who are confused on the subject of the Father and the Son bring together the statement, "God . . . raised up Christ' [1 Cor 15:14]. . . and words like these which show him who raises to be different from him who has been raised, and the statement [in Jn 2:19], "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." They think that these statements prove that the Son does not differ from the Father in number, but that both being one, not only in essence, but also in substance, they are said to be Father and Son in relation to certain differing aspects, not in relation to their reality. <\/span><\/p>\n

Comment: Yup, some still look at that text from John and conclude that Jesus and God are one and the same ("same in number"). Back to Origen,<\/span><\/p>\n

For this reason, we must first quote to them the texts capable of establishing definitely that the Son is other than the Father, and we must say that it is necessary that a son be the son of a father and that a father be the father of a son. After this we must say to them that it is not strange for him, who admits that he can do nothing except what he sees the Father doing, and who says that whatever the Father does, the Son likewise also does, to have raised the dead, (which was the body), since the Father, who we must say emphatically has raised the Christ from the dead, grants this to him." <\/span><\/p>\n

Comment: I think if you're a dualist you could accept this solution. If you're not, I think you can simply understand Christ to mean that after God would bring him back to life, he'd get up!<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

I have a Twitter\/X  account, but I don't post there often. Today I took a peek and found this: https:\/\/x.com\/DaleTuggy\/status\/1786943516922306708.  The following is from Tuggy: An interesting passage from Origen's commentary on John. Some readers still make the same mistake! "Those, however, who are confused on the subject of the Father and the Son bring … Continue reading “Dale Tuggy on Origen on John”<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[166],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-784","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-new-testament"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/784","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=784"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/784\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=784"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=784"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=784"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}