{"id":7105,"date":"2015-06-08T08:24:21","date_gmt":"2015-06-08T08:24:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2015\/06\/08\/realism-idealism-and-classical-theism\/"},"modified":"2015-06-08T08:24:21","modified_gmt":"2015-06-08T08:24:21","slug":"realism-idealism-and-classical-theism","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2015\/06\/08\/realism-idealism-and-classical-theism\/","title":{"rendered":"Realism, Idealism, and Classical Theism"},"content":{"rendered":"
Dr. James Barham<\/a> writes,<\/span><\/div>\n
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I have just finished reading your most instructive and thought-provoking book, A Paradigm Theory of Existence<\/em>.<\/span><\/div>\n
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On p. 257, you write: "(We will have to consider whether our view also undercuts realism.)" However, I did not see any discussion of this issue in the rest of the book.<\/span><\/div>\n
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On its face, the Paradigm Theory of Existence (PTE) seems to be close to Berkeley's position—the being of existents is grounded in the voluntary action\/perception of a transcendent Mind (God\/Paradigm Existent)—and yet if I understand you correctly, you wish to maintain that your theory is a version of "realism."<\/span><\/div>\n
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I realize, of course, that these are crude characterizations, and that the problem of what constitutes "realism" is a difficult one. Still, there is an apparent tension in your book—indicated by the passage I quoted above, which constitutes an unredeemed promissory note.<\/span><\/div>\n
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So, I was wondering:<\/span><\/div>\n
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1. What I am missing?;<\/span><\/div>\n
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2. Have you published anything else directly addressing how the PTE manages to avoid the charge of "idealism"?<\/span><\/div>\n
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Any help you could give me in understanding your thoughts about the PTE and "realism" would be most appreciated.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n
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These questions are reasonable ones and one of them is easy to answer: No, I haven't published anything about PTE and idealism.   I probably should.  What follows are some rough thoughts.<\/span><\/div>\n
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1. Is the position of PTE realistic or idealistic? The short answer is that it is realistic with respect to most of the objects of finite minds, but idealistic with respect to all of the objects of Infinite Mind. <\/span><\/div>\n
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First something in defense of the second conjunct of my short answer.<\/span><\/div>\n
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If God creates ex nihilo<\/em>, and everything concrete other than God is created by God, and God is a pure spirit, then one type of metaphysical realism can be excluded at the outset, namely, a realism that asserts that there are radically transcendent uncreated concrete things in themselves.  'Radically transcendent' means 'transcendent of any mind, finite or infinite.' Radically transcendent items exist and have most of their properties independently of any mind.  Call this realism-1.  No classical theist could be a realist-1.  Corresponding to realism-1, as its opposite, is idealism-1.  This is the view that everything other than God is created ex nihilo<\/em> by God, who is a pure spirit, and who therefore creates in a purely spiritual way.  (To simplify the discussion, let us leave to one side the problem of so-called 'abstract objects.')  It seems to me, therefore, that there is a very clear sense in which classical theism is a type of idealism.   For on classical theism God brings into existence and keeps in existence every concretum other than himself and he does so by his  purely mental\/spiritual activity.  We could call this type of idealism onto-theological absolute idealism. This is not to say that the entire physical cosmos is a content<\/em> of the divine mind; it is rather an accusative<\/em> or intentional object<\/em> of the divine mind.  Though not radically transcendent, it is a transcendence-in-immanence, to borrow some Husserlian phraseology.  So if the universe is expanding, that is not to say that the divine mind or any part thereof is expanding.  If an intentional object has a property P it does not follow that a mind trained upon this object, or an act of this mind or a content in this mind has P.  Perceiving a blue coffee cup, I have as intentional object something blue; but my mind is not blue, nor is the perceiving blue, nor any mental content.  If I perceive or imagine or in any way think of an extended sticky surface, neither my mind nor any part of it becomes extended or sticky.  Same with God.  He retains his difference from the physical cosmos even while said cosmos is nothing more than his merely intentional object incapable of existing on its own.<\/span><\/div>\n
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Actually, what I just wrote is only an approximation to what I really want to say.  For just as God is sui generis<\/em>, I think the relation between God and the world is sui generis<\/em>, and as such not an instance of the intentional relation with which we are familiar in our own mental lives.  The former is only analogous to the latter.  If one takes the divine transcendence seriously, then God cannot be a being among beings; equally, God's relation to the world cannot be a relation among relations.  If we achieve any understanding in these lofty precincts, it is not the sort of understanding one achieves by subsuming a new case under an old pattern; God does not fit any pre-existing pattern, nor does his 'relation' to the world fit any pre-existing pattern.  If we achieve any understanding here it will be via various groping analogies.  These analogies can only take us so far.  In the end we must confess the infirmity of finite reason in respect of the Absolute that is the Paradigm Existent.<\/span><\/div>\n
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There is also the well known problem that the intentional 'relation' is not, strictly speaking, a relation.  It is at best analogous to a relation.  So it looks as if we have a double analogy going here.  The God-world relation is analogous to something analogous to a relation in the strict sense.  Let me explain.<\/span><\/div>\n
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If x stands in relation R to y, then both x, y exist.  But x can stand in the intentional 'relation' to y even if y does not exist in reality.  It is a plain fact that we sometimes have very definite thoughts about objects that do not exist, the planet Vulcan, for example.  What about the creating\/sustaining 'relation'? The holding of this 'relation' as between God and Socrates cannot presuppose the existence in reality of both relata.  It presupposes the existence of God no doubt, but if it presupposed the existence of Socrates then there would be no need for the creating\/sustaining ex nihilo<\/em> of Socrates.  Creating is a producing, a causing to exist, and indeed moment by moment.<\/span><\/div>\n
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For this reason, creation\/sustaining cannot be a relation, strictly speaking.  It follows that the createdness of a creature cannot be a relational property<\/em>, strictly speaking.   Now the createdness of a creature is its existence or Being.  So the existence of a creature cannot be a relational property thereof; but it is like<\/em> a relational property thereof.<\/span><\/div>\n
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What I have done so far is argue that classical theism is a form of idealism, a form of idealism that is the opposite of an extreme from of metaphysical realism, the form I referred to as 'realism-1.'  If you say that no one has ever held such a form of realism, I will point to Ayn Rand. <\/span><\/div>\n
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2. According to the first conjunct of my short answer, realism holds with respect to some of the objects of finite minds.  Not for purely intentional objects, of course, but for things like trees and mountains and cats and chairs.  They exist and have most of their properties independently of the mental activity of finite minds such as ours.<\/span><\/div>\n
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3.  Kant held that empirical realism and transcendental idealism are logically compatible and he subscribed to both.  Now the idealism I urge is not a mere transcendental idealism, but a full-throated onto-theological absolute idealism; but it too is compatible, as far as I can see, with the empirical reality of most of the objects of ectypal intellects such as ours.  The divine spontaneity makes them exist and renders them available to the receptivity of ectypal intellects.<\/span><\/div>\n
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Sorry, Manny!<\/span><\/div>\n
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Dr. James Barham writes,   I have just finished reading your most instructive and thought-provoking book, A Paradigm Theory of Existence.   On p. 257, you write: "(We will have to consider whether our view also undercuts realism.)" However, I did not see any discussion of this issue in the rest of the book.   … Continue reading “Realism, Idealism, and Classical Theism”<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[143,79],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-7105","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-god","category-idealism-and-realism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7105","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=7105"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7105\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=7105"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=7105"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=7105"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}