{"id":5989,"date":"2016-12-01T05:44:42","date_gmt":"2016-12-01T05:44:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2016\/12\/01\/on-flag-burning\/"},"modified":"2016-12-01T05:44:42","modified_gmt":"2016-12-01T05:44:42","slug":"on-flag-burning","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2016\/12\/01\/on-flag-burning\/","title":{"rendered":"On Flag Burning"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"zn-body__paragraph\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino;\">In a piece entitled, &quot;Mr. Trump, Meet the Constitution,&quot; the editorial board of The New York Times <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2016\/11\/29\/opinion\/mr-trump-meet-the-constitution.html?ref=opinion&amp;_r=0\">betrays<\/a> a failure to grasp the distinction between the U. S. Constitution and Supreme Court rulings about it. &#0160;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.uscourts.gov\/educational-resources\/educational-activities\/facts-and-case-summary-texas-v-johnson\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">In the 1989 case &quot;Texas v. Johnson,<\/a>&quot; SCOTUS handed down a 5-4 ruling according to which flag burning was a form of speech protected by the First Amendment. &#0160;Now if you read the amendment you will find no reference to flag burning. &#0160;The subsumption of flag burning under protected speech required interpretation and argument and a vote among the justices. &#0160;The 5-4 vote could easily have gone the other way, and arguably should have.&#0160;<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"zn-body__paragraph\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino;\">&#0160;<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"zn-body__paragraph\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino;\">So Trump&#39;s tweet, &quot;Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag . . . ,&quot; does not show a lack of understanding of the Constitution. &#0160;After all, SCOTUS rulings can be overturned. &#0160;On a charitable interpretation, Trump was advocating an overturning of the 1989 and 1990 flag burning rulings.<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"zn-body__paragraph\" style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#0160;<\/div>\n<div class=\"zn-body__paragraph\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino;\">Ought flag burning come under the rubric of protected speech?&#0160; Logically prior question: Is it speech at all? &#0160;What if I make some such rude gesture in your face&#0160;as &#39;giving you the finger.&#39;&#0160; Is that speech?&#0160; If it is, I would like to know what proposition it expresses.&#0160; &#39;Fuck you!&#39; does not express a proposition.&#0160; Likewise for the corresponding gesture with the middle finger.&#0160; And if some punk burns a flag, I would like to know what proposition the punk is expressing.&#0160; <\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"zn-body__paragraph\" style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#0160;<\/div>\n<div class=\"zn-body__paragraph\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino;\">The Founders were interested in protecting reasoned dissent, but the typical act of flag burning by the typical leftist punk does not rise to that level. &#0160;To have reasoned or even &#0160;unreasoned dissent there has to be some proposition that one is dissenting from and some counter-proposition that one is advancing, and one&#39;s performance has to make more or less clear what those propositions are. &#0160;I think one ought to be skeptical of arguments that try to subsume gestures and physical actions under speech.<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"zn-body__paragraph\" style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#0160;<\/div>\n<div class=\"zn-body__paragraph\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino;\">The First Amendment also mentions religion. &#0160;If flag desecration counts as speech, what would not count as religion? &#0160;Is godless communism a religion? Why not, if a majority of the black-robed ones say it is? &#0160;<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"zn-body__paragraph\" style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#0160;<\/div>\n<div class=\"zn-body__paragraph\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino;\">The Constitution is a magnificent document worthy of great respect and a sort of secular reverence, attitudes one might hesitate to cherish with respect to certain members of the Supreme Court.<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"zn-body__paragraph\" style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#0160;<\/div>\n<div class=\"zn-body__paragraph\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino;\">Am I saying that there should be a flag burning amendment? &#0160;No. &#0160;Let the states decide what to do with the punks who desecrate the flag.<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"zn-body__paragraph\" style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#0160;<\/div>\n<div class=\"zn-body__paragraph\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino;\">As for Hampshire College, pull their federal funding if they refuse to fly the flag. &#0160;That should get their attention.<\/span><\/div>\n<fieldset class=\"zemanta-related\">\n<legend class=\"zemanta-related-title\">Related articles<\/legend>\n<div class=\"zemanta-article-ul zemanta-article-ul-image\" style=\"margin: 0; 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