{"id":423,"date":"2024-11-19T18:07:33","date_gmt":"2024-11-19T18:07:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2024\/11\/19\/was-st-paul-an-anti-natalist-updated-2024-version\/"},"modified":"2024-11-19T18:07:33","modified_gmt":"2024-11-19T18:07:33","slug":"was-st-paul-an-anti-natalist-updated-2024-version","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2024\/11\/19\/was-st-paul-an-anti-natalist-updated-2024-version\/","title":{"rendered":"Was St. Paul an Anti-Natalist? (Updated 2024 Version)"},"content":{"rendered":"

I wrote in Christian Anti-Natalism? (10 November 2017):<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

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Without denying that there are anti-natalist tendencies in Christianity that surface in some of its exponents, the late Kierkegaard for  example, it cannot be maintained that orthodox Christianity, on balance, is anti-natalist.<\/span><\/p>\n

Ask yourself: what is the central and characteristic Christian idea? It is the Incarnation, the idea that God became man in Jesus of Nazareth. Thus God, or rather the second person of the Trinity, entered into the material world by being born of a woman, entering into it in the most humble manner imaginable, inter faeces et urinam nascimur<\/em>. <\/span><\/p>\n

The mystery of the Nativity of God in a humble manger in a second-rate desert outpost of the Roman empire would seem to put paid to the notion that Christianity is anti-natalist.<\/span><\/p>\n

To sum it up aphoristically: Nativity is natalist.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

I still consider what I wrote above to be basically correct: Christianity is not, or at least is not obviously, anti-natalist. But now I want to consider a much more specific question: Is Paul an anti-natalist? To narrow the question still further: Is Paul advocating an anti-natalist position at 1 Corinthians 7<\/em>? My correspondent, Karl White, thinks so:<\/span><\/p>\n

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Paul promotes celibacy as the highest ideal, the logical outcome of which is an end to humanity. I simply cannot see how anyone can dispute this. <\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

I shall now dispute it.<\/span><\/p>\n

We cannot sensibly discuss the question whether Paul is an anti-natalist without first answering the logically prior question: What is an anti-natalist? David Benatar, the premier contemporary spokesman for the view, summarizes his position when he writes, "all procreation is wrong." (Benatar and Wassermann, Debating Procreation: Is it Wrong to Reproduce?<\/em> Oxford UP 2015, 12) He means, of course, that it is morally wrong or morally impermissible to reproduce.  The claim, then, is a normative one. It is therefore not a statement about what is factually the case or a prediction as to what is likely to happen.  It is a claim to the effect that we humans ought not reproduce.  (If you are curious about Benatar's reasons for his unpopular view, I refer you to my Benatar category<\/a>.)<\/span><\/p>\n

The question, then, is precisely this: Does Paul, at 1 Corinthians 7<\/em>, maintain that all procreation is wrong and that we ought not reproduce?  I answer in the negative.<\/span><\/p>\n

Karl White is certainly right that Paul "promotes celibacy as the highest ideal."  The passage begins, "It is good for a man not to marry," i.e., good for a man not to have sexual intercourse with a woman.  The issue here is not marriage as such, since there can be celibate marriages; the issue is sexual intercourse, and not just sexual intercourse between a man and a woman, but also homosexual and bestial intercourse. And let's not leave out sexual intracourse<\/em> (to coin a word), i.e., masturbation. (There are Catholic priests who, horribile dictu<\/em>, actually maintain that their vows of celibacy do not rule out sodomy and masturbation.)*<\/span><\/p>\n

And there is no doubt that Paul wishes all men to be like him, celibate. (verse 7) But he goes on (verse 9) to say that each has his own gift from God, with different gifts for different men. His gift is the power to be celibate. But others are not so gifted as to be able to attain this lofty standard. For those lacking Pauline self-control  it is better to marry than to burn with lust and fall into a cesspool of immorality.<\/span><\/p>\n

Paul does not say that it is morally impermissible to reproduce or that it is morally obligatory to refrain from sexual intercourse. In fact, he is saying the opposite: it is morally permissible for a man to marry and have sex with a woman.  It is also a prudent thing to do inasmuch as it forces a man who takes his vows seriously to channel his sexual energy in a way which, even if not productive of offspring, keeps him from immoral behavior.<\/span><\/p>\n

Paul does not affirm anti-natalism as defined above. He can be plausibly read as saying that sexual intercourse for the purpose of procreation (and presumably only for this purpose)  is morally permissible, but that there is a higher calling, celibacy, one which is not demanded of all.  (It can't be demanded of all, because it is not possible for all: 'Ought' implies 'can.' Only some have been granted Pauline self-control.)<\/span><\/p>\n

Karl White said, "Paul promotes celibacy as the highest ideal, the logical outcome of which is an end to humanity." But it is not a logical consequence of Paul's preaching that either a) procreation will cease — no chance of that! — or b) that procreation ought to cease.  For he is not saying that all ought to be celibate. He is saying that celibacy is supererogatory, above and beyond the call of duty or the demands of moral obligation.  It is only for those we are specially called to it.<\/span><\/p>\n

Paul is not an anti-natalist in the Benatar sense. He is not maintaining that procreation is morally wrong. But I grant to Karl that there is a sort of anti-natalist flavor to Paul's preaching, perhaps along the following lines.<\/span><\/p>\n

Procreation is not immoral, contra Benatar. But it nevertheless would be better if people did not engage in it.  This is an ideal that is unattainable except in rare cases and so cannot be prescribed as a moral requirement for all of humanity.  But if it is an ideal, then ideally it would be better if procreation cease and the human race come to an end.<\/span><\/p>\n

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*Well, we are all given to self-deception. The weight of concupiscence makes it hard to avoid. Raw desire suborns intellect and conscience.  As a young man, before I was married, I rationalized an affair I had with a married woman by telling myself that I was not committing adultery; she was. It is extremely important for the moral life to observe carefully, and in one's own case, how reason in its infirmity can be so easily suborned by the passions.  Is reason then a whore, as Luther said? No, that goes too far. She's more like a wayward wife. Reason is weak, but not utterly infirm or utterly depraved. If she were either of these, the reasoning of this weblog entry could not be correct when, as it seems to me, it is!<\/span><\/p>\n

ADDENDUM (3\/4\/19)<\/span><\/p>\n

Karl White responds:<\/span><\/p>\n

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To clarify, I should have been more precise in my wording.<\/span><\/div>\n
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What I meant to say was something along the lines of "If everyone became celibate, then humanity would end within a generation. Presumably if celibacy is the highest ideal, then Paul could not morally protest at this outcome."<\/span><\/div>\n
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Also, Paul is not for a total end of humanity. He believes its highest manifestation is in the guise of the 'spiritual bodies' he describes in his one of his letters and to which he desires all humans will come.<\/span><\/div>\n
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So I agree that Paul is not an anti-natalist in the Benatarian sense, but that he would have little problem with humanity in its current manifestation coming to an end seems fairly clear to me.<\/span><\/div>\n
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BV:  Now we agree!<\/span><\/div>\n
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Dave Bagwill writes,<\/span><\/div>\n
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Some thoughts on Paul and celibacy. I think it is probably the case that Paul thinks of celibacy not as the highest ideal at all, but rather as a vocation, a calling. To contend otherwise would be to ignore Paul's saturation in Jewish thought and worldview. That worldview, shaped by the Jewish scriptures, encourages, admonishes, and praises married life from the very beginning, and children are part and parcel of that state. I think that any interpretation of Paul that disregards this fundamental imperative must be suspect; conversely, his statements are most fruitfully understood in the over-arching Creation imperatives.<\/span><\/div>\n
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The case can also be made that biblically, man + woman = Man. Certainly, from experience, married life is the only way (excepting a special call to celibacy) that I could be 'complete', to the extent that I am. The 'classroom' of marriage is where I've learned and am learning that "Love is not affectionate feeling, but a steady wish for the loved person's ultimate good as far as it can be obtained." – C.S. Lewis<\/span><\/div>\n
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It is also prudent to consider not just the words that Paul spoke, but , as Miles Coverdale advised: "\u201cIt shall greatly help ye to understand the Scriptures if thou mark not only what is spoken or written, but of whom and to whom, with what words, at what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what goeth before and what followeth after. \u201d "At what time, to what intent, with what circumstances" – if I were a competent exegete, I think an investigation into Paul's writing about celibacy would clear up any notion of a 'higher life' to be had as a result of celibacy alone. I in fact tend to distrust any purported 'spiritual' or 'higher-life' proponent that begins with a disparagement of the married estate.<\/span><\/div>\n
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ADDENDUM (3\/5\/19) Karl White responds to Dave Bagwill:<\/span><\/div>\n
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. . . I politely disagree with Dave Bagwill's comments. Paul is famous\/infamous for his breaking with Jewish thought – in many ways that is the essence of Paul and why he is credited as the 'founder' of Christianity. His placing of celibacy as the highest ideal seems fairly uncontroversial to me. Also, merely because an individual has found personal contentment in marriage does not somehow invalidate Paul's espousal of celibacy – many have found contentment in celibacy and solitude and Jesus seemed to have little time for the family as an institution.<\/span><\/div>\n
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ADDENDUM (11\/19\/24) Max Cooler responds to Karl White:<\/span><\/div>\n
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I came across your article from five years ago, and I'd like to respond to Karl White (with the hope of my response being added in just beneath Karl's comments). I'd like to offer a plausible way of thinking why St. Paul should not be interpreted as an antinatalist, even in a weaker sense. For this response, I would explain Paul's words taking into account the historical context.<\/span><\/div>\n
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In Paul's times, Christians were already dealing with a lot. Life for early Christians wasn\u2019t easy, and a lot of it had to do with tension with both the Jewish leaders and the Roman authorities.<\/span><\/div>\n
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For one thing, the early Christians, faced a lot of heat from Jewish leaders who saw the new movement as a threat to their traditions. Paul himself got chased out of several cities\u2014places like Antioch and Thessalonica\u2014just because of his preaching (Acts 13:50, Acts 14:5-6, Acts 17:5). Christians were getting kicked out of synagogues, and sometimes they were beaten or even stoned by angry mobs. It wasn\u2019t a good time to be a Christian believer, especially when you were trying to keep your faith while also facing public ridicule or violence.<\/span><\/div>\n
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On top of that, there was growing suspicion from Roman authorities. Their refusal to participate in Roman religious practices\u2014like worshipping the emperor\u2014made them look like troublemakers. Later on, Tacitus (a Roman historian) would talk about how Christians were hated by the wider public, calling them \u201chaters of humanity,\u201d mostly because they refused to take part in traditional Roman rituals.<\/span><\/div>\n
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The early church also had to deal with some tough circumstances like famines. For instance, during Emperor Claudius\u2019s reign in the 40s AD, there was a serious famine that hit places like Judea (Acts 11:28). Christians, many of whom were poor to begin with, felt the effects of that hardship pretty hard.<\/span><\/div>\n
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This historical view is also supported by a few later verses. (1 Corinthians 7:26) starts with "Because of the present crisis…". (1 Corinthians 15:30-32) says "And as for us, why do we endanger ourselves every hour? I face death every day\u2014yes, just as surely as I glory over you in Christ Jesus our Lord." So it seems that in later verses Paul seems to confirm that they are indeed living through dangerous times.<\/span><\/div>\n
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So, with all these pressures\u2014religious opposition, economic hardship, and natural disasters\u2014it makes sense why Paul might suggest that it could be a good idea to avoid the extra complications of marriage and family. It had little to do with philosophical musings and a lot to do with material conditions at the time.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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