{"id":4141,"date":"2018-10-15T16:51:32","date_gmt":"2018-10-15T16:51:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2018\/10\/15\/god-puzzles\/"},"modified":"2018-10-15T16:51:32","modified_gmt":"2018-10-15T16:51:32","slug":"god-puzzles","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2018\/10\/15\/god-puzzles\/","title":{"rendered":"If God Cannot Cause Himself, How Can He Know Himself?"},"content":{"rendered":"

This from a reader:<\/span><\/p>\n

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If we say God cannot create himself since this implies a contradiction (God existing prior to himself to act on himself), how can we say God does anything with regard to himself?<\/span><\/p>\n

For instance, we say God knows himself. But how is this possible, seeing as God would need to first exist, in order to know himself? Knowledge is a relation in the mind to what is outside it. If I "know" a thing, I have the thing, the thing that is not <\/em>me, in my <\/em>mind. But if there is only simply God, how does he "have" himself in his mind?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

An interesting question worth thinking about.<\/span><\/p>\n

I grant that God cannot create himself. For if he creates himself then he causes himself to exist, and nothing can cause itself to exist. For a thing cannot enter into a causal relation unless it exists. So if God causes himself to exist, then his existence is logically, if not temporally, prior to his existence. And that, we agree, is impossible.<\/span><\/p>\n

The main point is that the existence of a thing cannot be logically prior to its existence. (And if it cannot be logically prior, then it cannot be temporally prior either.) But the existence of a knower not only can but must be logically prior to its self-knowledge.  I cannot know myself unless I exist, but I can exist without knowing myself. In the finite case, then, it is clear that existence is logically prior to self-knowledge, and indeed other-knowledge as well.<\/span><\/p>\n

\"God<\/a>Now God is omniscient and exists in all possible worlds.  So there is no possible situation in which he does not know himself or fails to know everything there is to know about himself. If we think of God as omnitemporal as opposed to eternal, then at every moment he enjoys full self-knowledge. At every moment, his existence and self-knowledge are simultaneous. But this is not a problem since there is no problem with God's existence being logically prior to his self-knowledge even if the former is not temporally prior to the latter.  We get the same result if God is eternal.<\/span><\/p>\n

In sum, God's existence cannot be logically prior to God's existence as it would have to be if God creates himself. But God's existence can be logically prior to God's self-knowledge.<\/span><\/p>\n

There is a second problem that the reader conflates with one I just discussed.   If God alone exists, how can God know himself if "Knowledge is a relation in the mind to what is outside it"?  This problem is solved by denying the assumption. Self-knowledge is NOT a relation to what is outside the mind.  I feel good right now, and I know it. The object of my knowledge is an internal state. God's self-knowledge can be said to be analogous to finite self-knowledge.<\/span> <\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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