{"id":39,"date":"2025-08-14T11:29:38","date_gmt":"2025-08-14T11:29:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2025\/08\/14\/mind-body-dualism-in-aquinas-and-descartes-how-do-they-differ\/"},"modified":"2025-08-14T11:29:38","modified_gmt":"2025-08-14T11:29:38","slug":"mind-body-dualism-in-aquinas-and-descartes-how-do-they-differ","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2025\/08\/14\/mind-body-dualism-in-aquinas-and-descartes-how-do-they-differ\/","title":{"rendered":"Mind-Body Dualism in Aquinas and Descartes: How Do They Differ?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">Thomas Aquinas, following Aristotle, views the soul as the form of the body. <em>Anima forma corporis<\/em>. Roughly, soul is to body as form is to matter. So to understand the soul-body relation, we must first understand the form-matter relation.&#0160; Henry Veatch points out that <\/span><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">&quot;Matter and form are not beings so much as they are principles of being.&quot; (<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Henry_Babcock_Veatch\">Henry B. Veatch<\/a>, &quot;To Gustav Bergmann: A Humble Petition and Advice&quot; in M. S. Gram and E. D. Klemke, eds. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/ASIN\/0877450439\/philosophypages\">The Ontological Turn: Studies in the Philosophy of Gustav Bergmann<\/a> , University of Iowa Press, 1974, pp. 65-85, p. 80)&#0160; &#39;Principles&#39; in this scholastic usage are not&#0160; propositions.&#0160; They are ontological factors (as I would put it) invoked in the analysis of primary substances, but they are not themselves primary substances. They cannot exist on their own.&#0160; Let me explain.<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"hidden\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">An ordinary &#39;sublunary&#39; particular such as a man, a horse, a tree, a statue, a &#39;primary substance&#39;&#0160; in Aristotelian nomenclature, is a <em>this-such.<\/em> The thisness in a this-such is the determinable element while the suchness is the determination or conjunction of determinations that determines (delimits, characterizes, and informs) the determinable element. Veatch&#39;s point is that the determinable element cannot be an ontological atom, an entity more basic than the composite into which it enters; it is not an ontological building block out of which, together with other such &#39;blocks,&#39; the this-such is constructed. The determinable element cannot be a basic existent; it must be a <em>principle<\/em> of a basic existent, where the basic existent is the this-such. And the same holds for the determining element, the form.&#0160;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"hidden\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">This implies that what is ontologically primary is the individual substance, the this-such, which entails that matter and form in an individual substance cannot exist apart from each other. They are in some sense &#39;abstractions&#39; from the individual substance. They are nonetheless real ontological factors, as opposed to theoretical posits having a merely mental being; they cannot, however, exist on their own. They are not themselves substances. That is what I mean by&#0160; my use of &#39;abstractions.&#39;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"hidden\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">But what exactly is a (primary) substance?&#0160;<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"hidden\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">A substance is a thing to which it belongs to be not in a subject. The name &#39;thing&#39; (<em>res<\/em>) takes its origin from the quiddity [<em>quidditas<\/em> = whatness], just as the name &#39;being&#39; (<em>ens<\/em>) comes from &#39;to be&#39; (<em>esse<\/em>). [<em>Ens<\/em> is the present participle of the infinitive <em>esse<\/em>.] In this way, the definition of substance is understood as that which has a quiddity <em>to which it belongs not to be in another<\/em> . (Aquinas, <em>Summa Contra Gentiles<\/em>, Bk 1, Ch 25)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"hidden\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">The form and the matter of a material substance, then, are are not themselves substances because it <em>does<\/em> belong to them to be in another, namely, in the substance of which they are the form and the matter.&#0160; Hylomorphic dualism is not a dualism of substances. Here we appear to have an important difference between Aquinate and Cartesian dualism. But the difference may be less than at first appears.<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"hidden\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">Now the form in a material this-such is not merely tied to matter in general, in the way that Bergmannian first-order universals are tied to Bergmannian bare particulars in general; the form is tied to the matter of the very this-such in question. This is because Aristotelian forms are not universals. And the same goes for the matter: the designated matter (<em>materia signata<\/em>) of Socrates is tied to the very form that is found in Socrates: that parcel of matter cannot exist apart from Socrates&#39; substantial form.&#0160; The two ontological factors (as I call them) are necessarily co-implicative.&#0160; Neither can exist without&#0160; the other. The two together constitute the individual substance, which is being in its most basic sense. For Aristotle, &quot;being is said in many ways,&quot; <em>to on legetai pollachos,&#0160;<\/em>and the most basic sense is being as substance (<em>ousia<\/em>). Aristotelian ontology is ousiology. (Aristotle, <em>Metaphysics<\/em>, 1028b4)<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"hidden\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">I said that hylomorphic dualism is not a dualism of substances, and thus that it appears that soul-body dualism in Aquinas is very different from soul-body dualism in Descartes.&#0160; But the picture is complicated by the Thomist doctrine that the souls of rational animals, unlike the souls of non-rational animals, are <em>subsistent<\/em>. What this means is that human souls are capable of existing in a disembodied state.&#0160; This capacity is exercised at death when we humans shed our bodies. We continue to exist as disembodied souls and thus as matter-less&#0160; forms.&#0160; But now a tension, if not a contradiction, comes into view. It is not clear how all of the following propositions can be true:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"hidden\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">a) The form of a material substance is not itself a substance, but a principle that cannot exist on its own, but only in tandem with a material factor together with which it constitutes a substance.&#0160; A form-matter composite is not constructed from pre-existing&#0160; &#39;building blocks.&#39;<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"hidden\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">b) The souls of humans are not substances along Platonic-Augustinian-Cartesian lines, but forms of the bodies whose souls they are.<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"hidden\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">c)&#0160; The souls of humans are subsistent forms that can exist on their own after the deaths of the bodies whose forms they are.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"hidden\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">Can someone explain how all three propositions could be true? On the face of it, the first two, taken together, entail the <em>negation<\/em> of the third. What we have here is an inconsistent triad. Although collectively inconsistent, the members of the triad are individually plausible.&#0160; Why plausible?<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"hidden\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">(a) is&#0160; plausible given that (i) there is such a thing as ontological analysis and (ii) its style is hylomorphic. The authority of <em>philosophus<\/em>, The Philosopher, as Aquinas calls him, stands behind (a). <\/span><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">The authority of Aristotle may also be invoked in support of (b) if the soul (<em>anima, psyche<\/em>) of a living thing is its life-principle.&#0160; (The soul <em>animates<\/em> the material body of an <em>animal<\/em>, making it alive.)&#0160;<\/span><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">As for (c), it is a Christian commitment of the <em>doctor angelicus<\/em> that he cannot abandon.<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"hidden\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">The three propositions are collectively inconsistent but individually plausible. We&#39;ve got ourselves a problem. Something has to give.<\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"hidden\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">It has been said that Aquinas is a Platonist in heaven, but an Aristotelian on earth.&#0160; These super- and sub-lunary tendencies comport none too well. One solution is to drop the Aristotelianism with its combined commitment to (i) hylomorphic ontological analysis and (ii) soul-as-life-principle and go the Platonic-Augustinian-Cartesian substance-dualist route.&#0160; Richard Swinburne exemplifies this approach in <em>Are We Bodies or Souls?<\/em> (Oxford UP, 2019) A second solution would be to drop the Christian commitment to the immortality of the soul and embrace a form of materialism about the human person.&#0160; A third solution would be to somehow uphold Christianity while accepting materialism about the human person. (See my <a href=\"https:\/\/philpapers.org\/rec\/VALCAC\">Could a Classical Theist be a Physicalist?)<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"hidden\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia, palatino; font-size: 14pt;\">What other solutions are there?<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Thomas Aquinas, following Aristotle, views the soul as the form of the body. Anima forma corporis. Roughly, soul is to body as form is to matter. 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