{"id":13703,"date":"2025-11-12T13:41:18","date_gmt":"2025-11-12T20:41:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/?p=13703"},"modified":"2025-11-13T05:47:35","modified_gmt":"2025-11-13T12:47:35","slug":"soriano-summarizes-drehers-take-on-the-groyper-phenomenon","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2025\/11\/12\/soriano-summarizes-drehers-take-on-the-groyper-phenomenon\/","title":{"rendered":"Soriano Summarizes Dreher&#8217;s Take on the &#8216;Groyper&#8217; Phenomenon"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">The following is by James Soriano who does an excellent job of summarizing important points made by Dreher who, though prolix, is turning out good content on this and related topics.<\/p>\n<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<\/p>\n<p class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229p1\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">I link below a rambling essay by Rod Dreher on his visit to Washington, where he had a long conversation with VP Vance in the company of Hungary\u2019s Viktor Orban on the future of Christianity in Europe and other things.<\/span><\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">It is a nightmare about the state of American conservatism.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>Despite Trump\u2019s victory, conservatives are being subverted by radical Generation Z newcomers.\u00a0<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">Many are so-called Christians conservatives and impoverished policy activists.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>As a group, they have clustered around a white-supremacist ideology in which anti-Semitism is in the foreground.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>They look to Tucker and this gent, Nick Fuentes, for inspiration.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>They\u2019re called \u201cGroypers.\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<p class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229p1\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">The essay goes into a long digression about the prevalence of Jews in certain walks of life, but at the end Dreher recapitulates the main points of his findings during his Washington visit.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229p1\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">I&#8217;ve shortened them and I would like to pass them along because they summarize the state of the civil war now raging in the ranks of conservatives.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>There is much to be pessimistic about.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229p3\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">1.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>The Groyper thing is real. It is not a fringe movement.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>It really has infiltrated young conservative networks.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229p3\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">2.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>Irrational hatred of Jews (and other races, but especially Jews) is a central core of it.\u00a0<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229p3\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">3.\u00a0 It cannot be negotiated with, because it doesn\u2019t have traditional demands. It wants to burn the whole system down.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229p3\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">4.\u00a0 The gatekeepers of the Right can\u2019t make it go away.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>They have less power than ever.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>Dealing with this is going to require great skill and subtlety, and courage.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229p3\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">5.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>This malign movement didn\u2019t just appear from nowhere. There are within it legitimate grievances.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>It is primed to believe totalitarian things.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229p3\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">6.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>The Left got there first.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>Left-wing radicals have marched through institutions and imposed illiberal, race-based leftist policies.\u00a0<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>You cannot understand the rise of the Groypers without understanding this first.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229p3\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">7.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>Conservatives hoped Trump\u2019s anti-woke pushback would restore the meritocratic status quo.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>The Zoomercons don\u2019t want that.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>They want revenge.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229p3\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">8.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>This has the potential to destroy conservatism politically.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229p3\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">9.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>It poses the risk of wrecking the new, post-MAGA conservatism, whose natural heir is JD Vance.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229p3\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">10.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>Anti-Semitism is spreading like a virus among religious conservatives of the Zoomer generation.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>They\u2019re getting it through online influencers.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>Their pastors and parents are not fighting back; they have lost authority.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>Some Zoomer trad Catholics are making antisemitism part of their spirituality \u2014 this, despite the fact that the Catholic Church explicitly condemns it.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>The same phenomenon exists among Zoomercon Orthodox and Protestants.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>This is spiritual poison.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229p3\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">11. The liberal media is going to have a field day with this to distract from the fact that antisemitism is triumphant among progressives.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>The new face of the Democratic Party is Zohran Mamdani.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229p3\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">12.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>Conservatives \u2014 Jewish, Christian, and agnostic \u2014 who support Israel are going to have to think very hard about how to proceed.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>Support for Israel has collapsed among the young, and it\u2019s not coming back anytime soon.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229p3\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">13.<span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>The intra-conservative fight is here, and we can\u2019t avoid it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229p3\" style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span class=\"yiv9367382840ydpabdc1229s1\"><a class=\"yiv9367382840enhancr_card_3544377834\" href=\"https:\/\/roddreher.substack.com\/p\/what-i-saw-and-heard-in-washington\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow noopener noreferrer\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">What I Saw And Heard In Washington<\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<div><strong>Related<\/strong>:<\/div>\n<div>Rod Dreher, <a href=\"https:\/\/roddreher.substack.com\/p\/the-dying-empire-strikes-back\">The Dying Empire Strikes Back\u00a0<\/a><\/div>\n<div>Scott Greer, <a href=\"https:\/\/chroniclesmagazine.org\/web\/you-cant-purge-tucker\/\">You Can&#8217;t Purge Tucker<\/a><\/div>\n<div>Christopher Rufo, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.city-journal.org\/article\/left-right-violence-conspiracy-candace-owens-charlie-kirk-assassination?skip=1\">The Rise of American Schizo-Politics<\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The following is by James Soriano who does an excellent job of summarizing important points made by Dreher who, though prolix, is turning out good content on this and related topics. &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; I link below a rambling essay by Rod Dreher on his visit to Washington, where he had a long conversation with VP Vance &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2025\/11\/12\/soriano-summarizes-drehers-take-on-the-groyper-phenomenon\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Soriano Summarizes Dreher&#8217;s Take on the &#8216;Groyper&#8217; Phenomenon&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[64,168,363,165,312,29,138],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-13703","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-conservatism","category-guest-posts","category-jewish-question","category-political-nihilism","category-political-pessimism","category-political-ponerology","category-political-violence"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13703","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=13703"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13703\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":13707,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13703\/revisions\/13707"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=13703"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=13703"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=13703"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}