{"id":11824,"date":"2010-02-18T18:22:25","date_gmt":"2010-02-18T18:22:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2010\/02\/18\/substance-and-suppositum-notes-on-fernand-van-steenberghen\/"},"modified":"2010-02-18T18:22:25","modified_gmt":"2010-02-18T18:22:25","slug":"substance-and-suppositum-notes-on-fernand-van-steenberghen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2010\/02\/18\/substance-and-suppositum-notes-on-fernand-van-steenberghen\/","title":{"rendered":"Substance and <i>Suppositum<\/i>:  Notes on Fernand Van Steenberghen"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><font face=\"Georgia\">Here is another of the scholastic manuals I pulled off my shelf: Fernand van Steenberghen, <strong>Ontology<\/strong> (Nauwelaerts Publisher, Brussels, 1970, tr. Moonan).&#0160; A paragraph from p. 278 supports my thesis that the distinction between primary substance and suppositum is an ad hoc device invented for a theological purpose, a device for which there is no independent philosophical warrant:<\/font><\/p>\n<blockquote dir=\"ltr\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><font face=\"Georgia\">4. <em>The problem of subsistence or personality.<\/em>&#0160; This problem was inserted into metaphysics for the benefit of theology, as is quite plain, in order to prepare the way for a satisfactory explanation of the theological&#0160; mystery of the incarnation, the question of knowing how and why the human <em>nature<\/em> of Jesus Christ does not constitute a human <em>person.<\/em>&#0160; But this problem is extraneous to philosophy and must remain so, for from the metaphysical point of view, there is no reason for distinguishing <em>individual nature<\/em> and <em>individual.<\/em>&#0160; It is therefore contrary to any sane method to ask in ontology on what conditions an individual nature might not be a <em>suppositum<\/em> (or <em>person<\/em>, where it is an intelligent nature that is in question.)<br \/>\n<\/font><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: justify\"><font face=\"Georgia\">According to the <\/font><a href=\"http:\/\/www.reformed.org\/documents\/index.html?mainframe=http:\/\/www.reformed.org\/documents\/chalcedon.html\"><font face=\"Georgia\">Chalcedonian definition<\/font><\/a><font face=\"Georgia\">&#0160;(A.D. 451), God the Son and Jesus Christ are one person, not two.&#0160; And yet this one person has two distinct existing individual natures, the one divine and uncreated, the other human and created.&#0160; Now an existing individual nature is a primary substance.&#0160; So what we have are two numerically distinct primary substances that are yet one and the same.&#0160; On the face of it, this is a contradiction: two substances cannot be one substance.&#0160; This is the prima facie evidence of the impossibility of the Incarnation doctrine as understood in the Chalcedonian definition.&#0160; <\/font><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: justify\"><font face=\"Georgia\">In a separate thread, Dr. Novak writes, &quot;In order that a doctrine is rationally acceptable, the absence of evidence of impossibility (contradiction) is enough, evidence of absence of impossibility (contradiction) is not needed.&quot;&#0160; To me it is clear that there is no absence of evidence of impossibility in this case.&#0160; There is positive evidence of impossibility and that evidence is that two primary substances cannot be one primary substance.<\/font><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: justify\"><font face=\"Georgia\">This is why there is a problem about rational acceptability.&#0160; Since there is evidence of impossibility, that evidence has to be shown to be merely apparent if the doctrine is to be&#0160;shown to be rationally acceptable.&#0160;&#0160;One way to attempt to&#0160;secure this end is by making a distinction&#0160;between primary substance and metaphysical supposit.&#0160;This distinction allows one to say that there can be a primary substance that is not a supposit, and thus not a rational supposit or person.&#0160; Accordingly, the man Jesus is an&#0160;existing primary substance but not a person.&#0160; There is exactly one person, and that person is the Second Person of the Trinity.<\/font><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: justify\"><font face=\"Georgia\">This solution to the problem &#8212; the problem of how two primary substances can be one and the same &#8212; requires the distinction between supposit and primary substance.&#0160; Now if there were some non-theological case in which this distinction could be seen to figure, then the distinction would have independent warrant and we would be home free: we would have a satisfactory solution.&#0160; Unfortunately, however, as Van Steenberghen points out, there is no reason independent of theology for drawing the distinction in question.<\/font><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: justify\"><font face=\"Georgia\">This amounts to saying that the solution is <em>ad hoc.&#0160; <\/em>But then the rational acceptability of the doctrine has not been demonstrated.<em>&#0160; <\/em>Why not?&#0160; Well, if the distinction is crafted for the sole purpose of solving the problem in question, then the distinction is just as problematic as the original problem.<\/font><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: justify\"><font face=\"Georgia\">Of course, it is very difficult to get a dogmatist to appreciate any of this, for what he will do is simply repeat his formulations.&#0160; But doing so does nothing to show the rational acceptability of their content; all it succeeds in showing is that the dogmatist is a dogmatist.<\/font><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: justify\"><font face=\"Georgia\">Please note that my claim is not that the Incarnation doctrine is rationally <em>un<\/em>acceptable; my claim at the moment is simply that there is a very serious problem about the rational acceptability of&#0160; the doctrine and that this problem cannot be given a satisfactory solution by making a distinction between primary substance and (metaphysical as opposed to logical) suppositum.<\/font><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here is another of the scholastic manuals I pulled off my shelf: Fernand van Steenberghen, Ontology (Nauwelaerts Publisher, Brussels, 1970, tr. Moonan).&#0160; A paragraph from p. 278 supports my thesis that the distinction between primary substance and suppositum is an ad hoc device invented for a theological purpose, a device for which there is no &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2010\/02\/18\/substance-and-suppositum-notes-on-fernand-van-steenberghen\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;Substance and <i>Suppositum<\/i>:  Notes on Fernand Van Steenberghen&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[58,362,288],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-11824","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-christian-doctrine","category-scholasticism-new-and-old","category-trinity-and-incarnation"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11824","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=11824"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11824\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=11824"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=11824"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=11824"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}