{"id":11116,"date":"2010-11-18T13:36:41","date_gmt":"2010-11-18T13:36:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2010\/11\/18\/god-and-the-no-angry-unicorn-argument\/"},"modified":"2010-11-18T13:36:41","modified_gmt":"2010-11-18T13:36:41","slug":"god-and-the-no-angry-unicorn-argument","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2010\/11\/18\/god-and-the-no-angry-unicorn-argument\/","title":{"rendered":"God and the &#8216;No Angry Unicorn&#8217; Argument"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia,palatino;\">This from an astute reader commenting on the <a href=\"http:\/\/maverickphilosopher.typepad.com\/maverick_philosopher\/2010\/11\/a-vision-of-hell.html\" target=\"_self\">Hell post<\/a>:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia,palatino;\">&#39;No angry unicorn on the dark side of the moon&#39;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia,palatino;\">Does this not refer to doxastic uncertainty rather than a fatuous equation of God with something material? This is how I interpreted it when I read it. More in the vein of: why venerate something tenuous in lieu of a Lucretian reality? Not a profound solution by any means, but an almost noble one if lived humbly&#8211; not sensually. Although , I suppose this is an agnostic take on the phrase. ( I&#39;ve been reading too much of Montaigne!) <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: georgia,palatino;\">Thanks for exposing me to Henryk Gorecki . Do you know of Arvo Part?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia,palatino;\">I love Arvo Part, and Montaigne too.&#0160; But onto the issue you raise. To quote Cactus Ed himself, <span style=\"font-size: 11pt;\">&quot;Is there a God? Who knows? Is there an angry unicorn on the dark side of the moon?&quot;<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: 11pt;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/maverickphilosopher.typepad.com\/.a\/6a010535ce1cf6970c0133f610e4dc970b-pi\" style=\"float: left;\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Angry unicorn\" border=\"0\" class=\"asset  asset-image at-xid-6a010535ce1cf6970c0133f610e4dc970b\" src=\"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.typepad.com\/.a\/6a010535ce1cf6970c0133f610e4dc970b-800wi\" style=\"margin: 0px 5px 5px 0px;\" title=\"Angry unicorn\" \/><\/a> Now it would be foolish to try to discern in the scribblings of Ed Abbey anything very clear or precise or carefully thought-through.&#0160; But it seems clear to me that Abbey is likening God to an intramundane object much as Bertrand Russell likened him to a <a href=\"http:\/\/maverickphilosopher.typepad.com\/maverick_philosopher\/2008\/11\/russells-teapot-does-it-hold-water.html\" target=\"_self\">celestial teapot<\/a>.&#0160; In so doing, both demonstrate a profound ignorance of what sophisticated theists mean by &#39;God.&#39;&#0160; They are not talking about a being among beings, let alone a <em>material<\/em> being among beings. (<em>Deus est ipsum esse subsistens, et cetera<\/em>.) &#0160;But you focus on the epistemic side, with justification, as the quotation shows.&#0160; <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: 11pt;\">Accordingly, Abbey is suggesting that, regardless of the nature of God, the evidence of his existence is no better than the evidence of the existence of an irate lunar unicorn, a <em>lunicorn<\/em> if you will.&#0160;&#0160;&#0160; <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: 11pt;\">But please note that questions about the evidence for something are connected to questions about the nature of that something.&#0160; The existence of a lunicorn would be strongly disconfirmed were a a bunch of lunar modules to fail to detect the presence of any such critter.&#0160; But no number of space probes could disconfirm the existence of God.&#0160; Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin was surely&#0160;talking nonsense&#0160;when he reported that he saw no God during his famous suborbital flight.&#0160; The empirical undetectability of God no more tells against his existence than the empirical undetectability of the square root of pi tells against its existence.&#0160;<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: 11pt;\">So while Abbey&#39;s remarks do have an epistemological flavor,&#0160;they cannot be divorced from their metaphysical import.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: 11pt;\">But there is also an axiological side to it, which may be even more important.&#0160; Abbey is implying that it doesn&#39;t much matter whether God exists or not.&#0160; He could have added &#39;Who cares?&#39; after &#39;Who knows?&#39; to his list of questions.&#0160; After all, it is of no great moment whether there are any lunicorns or celestial teapots out there.&#0160; My happiness cannot hang on that.&#0160; The meaning of life does not stand or fall with the existence or nonexistence of such things.&#0160; <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"font-family: georgia,palatino; font-size: 11pt;\">Abbey&#39;s aphorism sums up the atheist attitude quite well.&#0160; Does God exist?&#0160; Who cares? Who cares whether there is some weird extra object in the ontological inventory?&#0160; And how would you know anyway?&#0160; &quot;Bartender, another round!&quot;<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This from an astute reader commenting on the Hell post: &#39;No angry unicorn on the dark side of the moon&#39; Does this not refer to doxastic uncertainty rather than a fatuous equation of God with something material? This is how I interpreted it when I read it. More in the vein of: why venerate something &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/2010\/11\/18\/god-and-the-no-angry-unicorn-argument\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading<span class=\"screen-reader-text\"> &#8220;God and the &#8216;No Angry Unicorn&#8217; Argument&#8221;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[581,191,143],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-11116","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-abbey-cactus-ed","category-atheism-and-theism","category-god"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11116","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=11116"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11116\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=11116"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=11116"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/maverickphilosopher.blog\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=11116"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}